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AI image recognition detects bubble-like structures in the universe

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110 points PaulHoule | 4 comments | 31 Mar 25 14:21 UTC | HN request time: 0.598s | source
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anigbrowl ◴[02 Apr 25 01:27 UTC] No.43552920[source]▶
You wanna hear my evidence-free cosmic structure theory? Of course you do.

If you shine a laser through a mass of soap bubbles it will unsurprisingly split into lots of smaller beams due to a mix of refraction and reflection. I have long held the suspicion that there's an isomorphism between gravitational and surface tension structures, that the multiplicity and distance of galaxies may be somewhat illusory, and that many of them are translated/rotated reflections of nearer ones. Laugh now, perhaps gasp in wonder later.

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idiotsecant ◴[02 Apr 25 01:40 UTC] No.43552963[source]▶
What you're describing is gravitational lensing. It can make one galaxy appear to be several in different places or shapes. It is, however, well understood.
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anigbrowl ◴[02 Apr 25 06:46 UTC] No.43554226[source]▶
I know what gravitational lensing is, but that's not what I have in mind (or rather, my gut - while I have a strong hunch about this, I do not want to invest the years of hard study to validate it or more likely end up in a dead end).

My hunch is that rather than space being a contiguous void with isolated mass of gravity behaving like tiny monopolar magnets, at the intersection between different mass systems there are 'surfaces' of some sort like the walls of a bubble in a pile of foam, and that if you could encounter this 'surface' you would either be repelled by it (most likely) or make contact and be able to slide around on it, and then once you got to the angles where walls joins, you would be able to zip along the intersections at great speed in ways that defy conventional physics. I can't really explain it in greater depth, it's an intuition that's half lifelong fascination with looking at soap films and what foam does, and half 'it came to me in a dream.'

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1. genewitch ◴[02 Apr 25 07:38 UTC] No.43554464[source]▶
Your comment reminds me of a picture I saw a few days ago of a telescope shot, caption "there are no stars in this picture, only galaxies" and there were so. Many. Bright spots.

I don't know where or when it was taken, or what part of the sky that happens in. Maybe it's just a really long lens, so it's seeing "through" the galaxy we normally see "stars" from?

Anyhow, how do you think you could prove this or how someone could prove it? Is it like, two observers on opposite sides of the planet observing the same thing, say during an eclipse or something? Maybe radioastronomy?

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2. I_Am_Nous ◴[02 Apr 25 15:17 UTC] No.43557650[source]▶
You might be thinking of the Hubble Ultra Deep Field image (https://science.nasa.gov/asset/hubble/hubble-ultra-deep-fiel...). I believe it was the result of NASA saying "Let's look at what appears to be a completely dark spot in space, zoom in as far as we can, and see what's there."

We see stars in our galaxy because they are close enough to us that we see them as individual stars. Compare that to the Andromeda Galaxy, which is far enough away that without intense zoom, it looks like a single source of light. There are galaxies even farther away, which we cannot see with the naked eye at all, but zooming in on them like Hubble did means we eventually get enough resolution to see they are individual galaxies, unfathomably far away.

JWST being able to see infrared means we'll see galaxies that are so far away, their light is redshifted so we (and Hubble) cannot even see them at all.

With regards to your question about how to test the bubble hypothesis posted by parent, we would be limited by how variable our point of view can be. We can gather what data we can at one end of Earth's orbit, and then try to see from the opposite end and compare what we see, comparing data sets to see if certain galaxies or stars are in different positions. We already do some of this when dealing with gravitational lensing and I believe it's one of the primary ways we can detect black holes, as they bend light a lot.

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3. genewitch ◴[02 Apr 25 16:07 UTC] No.43558230[source]▶
no; https://astrodon.social/@catherineryanhyde/11424695314205282...

this is what i was thinking of; thanks for the hubble reference, though!

4. anigbrowl ◴[02 Apr 25 19:44 UTC] No.43560717[source]▶
I really don't know how you'd prove it, or I'd be operating a cranky social media account demanding the scientific community pay attention to me! My knowledge of astronomy/cosmology tops out around Quanta magazine reader level and studying the subject academically always seemed like a luxury for people who already have money. The 'space is foam' idea just hit me out of the blue one day ~20 years ago when I was staring at bubbles and looking at how tiny ones interact with larger ones. I feel like it has something to do with heliopause and plasma, but every time I read up on it the scientific consensus seems to be 'we still don't know much about it,' so I don't know what to do with the idea.