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ferguess_k ◴[] No.43550514[source]
I wonder if there is a more practical tutorial to route a power generator into the house with sort of a power switch. I don't know the exact phrase but basically I can route a few things like the fridge or the lights to this switch so they switch to the generator when there is an outage.

I know it can be done because I asked an electrician. But I dropped the idea when he said it could cost a lot (if done by a professional).

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quickthrowman ◴[] No.43552003[source]
Hire an electrician please, I sell and run electrical work and a generator installation is not something you should take on yourself.

If you want to have a few electrical loads on a generator backed panel, you have an electrician install the generator, automatic transfer switch, and a subpanel that is fed by the automatic transfer switch, which is fed by both utility power (from a breaker in your main electrical panel) and generator power. If you’re using natural gas or propane to power the generator, a pipe fitter will need to run the gas line.

Then you tell the electrician to move the circuits you wanted backed by a generator from your main panel to the subpanel fed by the ATS. The subpanel receives power from the utility until the ATS detects an outage, which fires up the generator and transfers the power feeding the subpanel to the generator.

Generators can use gasoline, diesel, natural gas, or propane, or a combination of any of the aforementioned fuels. Ideally you’d have a multi fuel generator hooked up to a natural gas utility with a backup propane tank in case the natural gas service goes down.

You can also get a whole house generator and have the ATS feed your existing electrical panel, you’ll need a 24kW 120/240V for a 100A service or 48kW 120/240V for a 200A service

I’d recommend a Generac generator if you do get one, Costco sells them and will connect you with an installer.

If you want to get crazy, you could add a 50kva single-phase 120/240V UPS and the UPS would keep the power on while the generator starts up but that would be serious overkill (and tens of thousands of dollars).

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1. genewitch ◴[] No.43554371[source]
US isn't single phase.
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2. neallindsay ◴[] No.43556621[source]
Even though our transmission is three-phase, most homes in the US only get single-phase power.
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3. quickthrowman ◴[] No.43556927[source]
I sell and run union electrical work for a living in the United States.

Residential power in the US is 120/240V single-phase (split phase). Utility distribution is three-phase and virtually every commercial and industrial electrical service is three-phase, with the rest being 120/240V single-phase.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Split-phase_electric_power

4. genewitch ◴[] No.43557810[source]
I think this is a nit. "split-phase" is two 120V legs 180 degrees out of phase with each other. The word "phase" is starting to look spelled wrong to me, right now. I don't see the fundamental difference between "two phases [...]" and what i said "not single-phase"

I understand wye and three-phase power, and i also understand that when we plug into a scared face outlet[0], that is a "single phase" - but the stuff delivered to our house is two phases of 120VAC, 180 degrees out of phase.

again, it's a nit. you can use two conductors on a three-phase system and get a single phase, as well.

[0] NEMA 5-15R

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5. neallindsay ◴[] No.43561764{3}[source]
My comment was less a nit and more I didn't understand how it really worked! Thanks for correcting me.