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456 points ph4evers | 1 comments | | HN request time: 0.2s | source

I've been working on a little side project that combines Duolingo-like listening comprehension exercises with real content .

Every video is transcribed to get much better transcripts than the closed captions. I filter on high quality transcripts, and afterwards a LLM selects only plausible segments for the exercises. This seems to work well for quality control and seems to be reliable enough for these short exercises.

Would love your thoughts!

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iambateman ◴[] No.43546384[source]
This has a ton of potential! Keep going!

Duolingo is tough because they set the expectation that this should be free, so you're walking into a challenging business.

But I think the concept is fundamentally better to connect language learning to something entertaining and relevant. If you can make that work, you have a heck of an app.

You can do it!

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beardedwizard ◴[] No.43548393[source]
The trick to competing with Duolingo is to _actually_ teach people new languages that they actually learn, rather than giving away the illusion that they are learning a new language on Duolingo.
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mlsu ◴[] No.43549338[source]
Is it?

At the end of the day, whether it's effective or not, Duolingo sells the feeling that you are learning a language to people. Winning a competition with Duolingo means doing better at making people feel like they are learning a language -- the strategy to win against Duolingo probably involves watering down the learning even more, to better sell the feeling.

A good way to think about it is look at some organization that wants to be effective at actually teaching its employees a new language, like the state department:

https://www.state.gov/foreign-service-institute/foreign-lang...

20 hours a week of intensive instruction.

Spanish 30 weeks Cantonese 88 weeks Turkish 44 weeks

This is what it actually takes.

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jpcom ◴[] No.43551100[source]
Yes, it takes commitment to master a language. In the case of Japanese, which traditionally takes the most weeks to master when coming from English, we made Japanese Complete based on frequency analysis to help speed up the process of acquisition. With 777 kanji carefully selected by frequency you can get 90% coverage of kanji in the wild. This is about a third of the "daily use" set of ~2200 kanji so the process is greatly accelerated. If you're interested in seeing what 777 kanji look like, I recently created a small kanji quiz game that quizzes by English meaning words [0].

[0] https://japanesecomplete.com/kanji-game.html

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1. mandmandam ◴[] No.43552245[source]
Very cool; and pretty too!