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Glubux's Powerwall (2016)

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386 points bentobean | 10 comments | 01 Apr 25 15:49 UTC | HN request time: 0.898s | source | bottom
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ianferrel ◴[01 Apr 25 17:00 UTC] No.43549073[source]▶
>the solution came with rearranging and adjusting the cells to ensure the packs worked more efficiently.

>Glubux even began disassembling entire laptop batteries, removing individual cells and organizing them into custom racks. This task, which likely required a great deal of manual labor and technical knowledge, was key to making the system work effectively and sustainably.

This kind of thing is cool as a passion project, but it really just highlights how efficient the modern supply chain is. If you have the skills of a professional electrician, you too can spend hundreds of hours building a home battery system you could just buy for $20k, but is less reliable.

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1. cjbgkagh ◴[01 Apr 25 17:11 UTC] No.43549208[source]▶
$20K for a home battery backup for someone capable of doing DIY would be far larger than what I assume he has built here. AFAIK the cheaper end is around $340 (2016) per kWh at 20 kWh that would be $6,800. In 2025 at $100 per kWh it would be $2K. If it's worth it would largely depending on a persons post tax required rate of return and how long it would take.
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2. gwbas1c ◴[01 Apr 25 18:10 UTC] No.43549803[source]▶
I spent almost as much as that for a 2 Powerwalls and installation in 2019. (Granted, I got a 3rd back from various incentives that probably weren't available for DIY.)

DIY (like this project) is only "worth it" if the person doing it enjoys the work or values the lessons.

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3. cjbgkagh ◴[01 Apr 25 18:20 UTC] No.43549891[source]▶
There is a spectrum of DIY and the sweet spot depends on the person. Since I'm good with electronics my sweet spot is buying premade packs.
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5. adamhartenz ◴[01 Apr 25 19:24 UTC] No.43550461[source]▶
If you took that same time, and invested it in working at Target, or Amazon etc, would you have more or less money than it would cost to buy an off-the-shelf battery? There are obviously other pros and cons.
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6. Transfinity ◴[01 Apr 25 19:32 UTC] No.43550542[source]▶
I think Target isn't the right comparison here - the skills required for this project are worth much more than minimum wage bagging groceries. If you assume something like $50 an hour (on the low end for a skilled electrician), you get to the $6800 number in the parent post pretty quickly.
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7. t-3 ◴[01 Apr 25 20:09 UTC] No.43550841{3}[source]▶
Getting certified and hired as a skilled electrician is a lot more complicated and much harder than acquiring the knowledge to be a skilled electrician. There are many people working Target-level jobs with that level of skill in some area.
8. cjbgkagh ◴[01 Apr 25 20:35 UTC] No.43551057{3}[source]▶
That number was from 2016 is useful in determining if it was worth it but not useful if it will be worth it staring today as the number has changed in the intervening 9 years. The number will keep changing with an estimate of $80 kWh by 2030.
9. cjbgkagh ◴[01 Apr 25 20:48 UTC] No.43551169[source]▶
Of the three options, DIY battery packs, premade 100aH battery packs, or white glove powerwall a minimum wage earner would likely not have the skills to DIY the battery packs nor the money to pay for the powerwall.

Battery packs are an efficient market commodity and that’s pretty hard to beat for value for money.

Once full installations become more of a commodity then DIY with premade packs becomes less worth it.

10. neuralRiot ◴[01 Apr 25 21:08 UTC] No.43551365[source]▶
It all comes down to what makes you happy.