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JEP draft: Prepare to make final mean final

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207 points mfiguiere | 2 comments | 31 Mar 25 19:35 UTC | HN request time: 0.488s | source
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exabrial ◴[31 Mar 25 21:56 UTC] No.43540415[source]▶
I'm 100% onboard with this. My thought was how are they going to make Serialization work, but looks like they thought of that.

I was trying to think of an edge case with JsonB or JAXB that would be affected by this... but generally those frameworks have told you for quite awhile not to do stupid stuff like:

``` @Getter public class HelloMessage { @JsonbProperty private final String helloMessage; } ```

I can't think of any frameworks offhand that do this.

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hyperpape ◴[31 Mar 25 22:29 UTC] No.43540656[source]▶
Brian Goetz, chief architect of Java, once posted a "what they think I do" vs. "what I actually" do tweet. If I remember correctly, 25% - 50% of the "what I actually do" category was something like "get angry at serialization."

So I think it's safe to say "what about serialization?" is always going to be asked.

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1. dstine ◴[01 Apr 25 03:03 UTC] No.43542398[source]▶
In this 2014 talk, Brian shows a slide in which he characterizes a visible fraction of his job as “regretting serialization” (somewhat tongue-in-cheek).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2y5Pv4yN0b0&t=930s

Link is to the start of a sequence of three slides, the third of which is the slide in question.

For a more recent update on serialization, watch this talk “Serialization: A New Hope”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIbA2ymCWDs

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2. int_19h ◴[02 Apr 25 00:55 UTC] No.43552776[source]▶
It's not just Java, either. The original .NET serialization system is very obviously inspired by Java, and has many of the same issues - to the point where it's effectively deprecated these days.