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nottorp ◴[] No.43537683[source]
Actually Apple were fined because they don't apply the same standard to their own pop-ups that allow users to reject tracking. On Apple popups you seem to need one click, while on 3rd party popups you need to confirm twice.

So the fine seems to be for treating 3rd parties differently from their own stuff.

They could make their own popups require double confirmation instead...

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tedunangst ◴[] No.43538944[source]
I'm actually okay with the Apple Camera app asking me once and the Domino's Pizza app having to ask me twice. Who are the consumers being harmed here?
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surgical_fire ◴[] No.43539214[source]
It doesn't really matter if you are "fine" with their anti-conpetitive behavior. They should comply to regulations properly.
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tedunangst ◴[] No.43539299[source]
Why do we have regulations? Who do they benefit?
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1. simion314 ◴[] No.43539703[source]
>Why do we have regulations? Who do they benefit?

Weird you still have no idea why.

So let me tell you, there was a tribe in a village and they had many rules, some young boys hated the rules so they left and made their own village with no rules. One day one of them made a fire and let it unsupervised and many of their shacks burned so the boys decided that there should be one rule about not letting fires unsupervised.... the story continues with similar issues happening and they reluctantly adding one more tule, then one more rule until they get tot he same original rules from the original village.

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2. BeFlatXIII ◴[] No.43539824[source]
That's some nice story, not relevant facts.
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3. maccard ◴[] No.43540520[source]
I like this.

Imagine if people from the old village came to the new village and said that they wanted to set up the rules they had in the old village but they want to live in the new village. Some people are perfectly happy in the new village, but the people who came from the old village say that the rules are unfair.

As someone who actively wants Apple provide a tighter experience, this is how I feel. I have a nice garden that I'm playing in, and others have a sandbox. They like my garden because it's sunny, but they want the rules of their sandbox to apply to my garden. The grown ups let them in, and now there's nowhere to play that doesn't have sand anymore.

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4. kypro ◴[] No.43540988[source]
This isn't a good analogy though?

A good faith interpretation of the parent's comment might assume the tribe's leaders started making arbitrary rules about fires which were of questionable benefit to the tribe and when the tribe did things there own way the leaders took bananas from them as a punishment.

If the rules being made are not of clear benefit to the tribe then surely it is right to question them? Your point that rules can be good should be self-evident, as is the inverse - that rules can be bad. What's important here who is the beneficiary of those rules.

5. mattmein ◴[] No.43541841[source]
There's a WKUK comedy sketch that fits this story pretty well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fibDNwF8bjs
6. simion314 ◴[] No.43543151[source]
>As someone who actively wants Apple provide a tighter experience, this is how I feel. I have a nice garden that I'm playing in, and others have a sandbox. They like my garden because it's sunny, but they want the rules of their sandbox to apply to my garden. The grown ups let them in, and now there's nowhere to play that doesn't have sand anymore.

The laws are created for all, all people, all companies. We do not give Apple exceptions because reasons like this guy likes it as it is. When Apple decides to do business in a country it accepts the laws there, if they do not like the laws then they can just refuse to do business there.

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7. simion314 ◴[] No.43543292[source]
>That's some nice story, not relevant facts.

My response is on topic for the comment it responds. But in case someone else fails to understand the message, the rules are added because someone made something bad intentionally or now,

so can you guess why the companies were forced to add "Unsubscribe" in their emails? do you think someone imagined this rule for no reason ?

8. maccard ◴[] No.43543901{3}[source]
You’re right - I got sidetracked into the other conversation (which is other people wanting to see Apple punished for having a walled garden)