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    France fines Apple €150M for “excessive” pop-ups that let users reject tracking

    (arstechnica.com)
    250 points sebastian_z | 11 comments | 31 Mar 25 17:38 UTC | HN request time: 1.107s | source | bottom
    1. drivebyhooting ◴[31 Mar 25 18:24 UTC] No.43538060[source]▶
    Do other apps require double consent or is it actually a dark pattern they’ve adopted:

    * explain and prompt the user for consent

    * if they acquiesce pop the real modal

    * otherwise bide your time and try again later

    The reason for this is because once you receive a rejection in the official modal you are not allowed to ask again.

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    2. gruez ◴[31 Mar 25 18:26 UTC] No.43538096[source]▶
    >Do other apps require double consent or is it actually a dark pattern they’ve adopted:

    It's specifically recommended by apple.

    https://developer.apple.com/design/human-interface-guideline...

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    3. drivebyhooting ◴[31 Mar 25 18:41 UTC] No.43538267[source]▶
    In adtech and social media it is a calculated strategy to maximize user compliance.
    4. nemothekid ◴[31 Mar 25 18:48 UTC] No.43538346[source]▶
    Apple's recommendation (as posted) actually doesn't look like double consent to me - in fact, their recommendation calls out that it should be treated like a consent form (You shouldn't be able to exit the explanation page, only continue).

    App Publishers have instead used the explanation page as a "soft" consent form, so they can bug you later without being disabled at the system level.

    5. TheJoeMan ◴[31 Mar 25 19:15 UTC] No.43538659[source]▶
    Or snapchat repeatedly asking for my contacts access knowing it’s denied.
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    6. ilnavigante ◴[31 Mar 25 21:46 UTC] No.43540336[source]▶
    Speaking of dark patterns: if you try to initialize your Mac without logging in to your iCloud account, the installation process doesn't ask you to encrypt your drive, so everything is in clear by default...
    7. sitkack ◴[01 Apr 25 01:14 UTC] No.43541830[source]▶
    Or WhatsApp not allowing you name contacts unless you gave it access to your entire address book so FB can have your entire FOAF graph.
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    8. vaindil ◴[01 Apr 25 04:23 UTC] No.43542831{3}[source]▶
    I'm traveling to Europe right now and had to install WhatsApp, and this absolutely infuriated me. You cannot start new chats with anyone (on Android at least) unless you grant it the contacts permission. I'm sure other things are limited too, like you say.

    Workarounds include having the other person message you first, or manually typing wa.me/+number into your browser.

    Slightly more info: https://android.stackexchange.com/questions/229390

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    9. nolist_policy ◴[01 Apr 25 07:27 UTC] No.43543843{4}[source]▶
    Install OpenContacts from F-Droid and store your contacts there.
    10. wkat4242 ◴[01 Apr 25 08:05 UTC] No.43544058[source]▶
    Yes this practice should really be banned.

    It's constantly whinging it's been denied camera access too. I really hate that app but some people I talk to use it.

    11. sitkack ◴[01 Apr 25 19:38 UTC] No.43550602{4}[source]▶
    It is clearly an invasion of privacy and huge overreach by FB.