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1. legitster ◴[] No.43537821[source]
If you are already a customer of Oracle, I can't imagine this matters to you. You did not choose Oracle because it was a good product and they are a good company. You are a customer of Oracle because there was a backroom executive deal with the Devil. No one is surprised or outraged or even has any choices.
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2. noja ◴[] No.43538107[source]
If the tables were turned, Oracle would be taking advantage of the situation.

Take note.

3. redleggedfrog ◴[] No.43538137[source]
As my buddy from Oracle likes to say, "No one cares what we do as long as the flow of streak, coke, and strippers doesn't stop."

He's a big Zed Shaw fan.

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4. xdavidliu ◴[] No.43538234[source]
what's "streak"? do you mean steak?
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5. legitster ◴[] No.43538262[source]
Anytime Oracle is brought up is a great time to repost the famous Lawnmower quote:

> "As you know people, as you learn about things, you realize that these generalizations we have are, virtually to a generalization, false. Well, except for this one, as it turns out. What you think of Oracle, is even truer than you think it is. There has been no entity in human history with less complexity or nuance to it than Oracle. And I gotta say, as someone who has seen that complexity for my entire life, it's very hard to get used to that idea. It's like, 'surely this is more complicated!' but it's like: Wow, this is really simple! This company is very straightforward, in its defense. This company is about one man, his alter-ego, and what he wants to inflict upon humanity -- that's it! ...Ship mediocrity, inflict misery, lie our asses off, screw our customers, and make a whole shitload of money. Yeah... you talk to Oracle, it's like, 'no, we don't fucking make dreams happen -- we make money!' ...You need to think of Larry Ellison the way you think of a lawnmower. You don't anthropomorphize your lawnmower, the lawnmower just mows the lawn, you stick your hand in there and it'll chop it off, the end. You don't think 'oh, the lawnmower hates me' -- lawnmower doesn't give a shit about you, lawnmower can't hate you. Don't anthropomorphize the lawnmower. Don't fall into that trap about Oracle." - Bryan Cantril

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6. bityard ◴[] No.43538408{3}[source]
I thought it was some kind of trendy alcohol that I hadn't heard of, that probably comes in a brown bottle
7. _fat_santa ◴[] No.43538482[source]
I've started seeing ads for Oracle OCI in some podcasts I listen to so I think they are starting to see if they can attract customers outside of their "enterprise sales process".

I'm not sure who those ads are supposed to appeal to besides the podcasts hosts raking in the ad dollars.

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8. sidewndr46 ◴[] No.43538483[source]
I imagine Larry Ellison gave this exact speech right after this incident became public.
9. brirec ◴[] No.43538567[source]
I haven’t seen the ads, but Oracle Cloud is definitely the public cloud provider with the most generous free tier. That’s not to say you should use and trust them, but I can see why many would.
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10. marcosdumay ◴[] No.43538571{3}[source]
You can search for that word definition.
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11. 999900000999 ◴[] No.43538632{3}[source]
You pay in other ways.

I understand if you have absolutely no money, but even then repeatedly trying to provision a server and getting a error- something like no capacity available - isn't a fun time.

Whatever, I'll pay 7$ a month to not deal with that.

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13. A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 ◴[] No.43538707{3}[source]
To be fair to Oracle: the lawnmower doesn't hate people... yet. This millennium is still young. And we keep adding connectivity and llms into everything.
14. neilv ◴[] No.43538782{3}[source]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zRN7XLCRhc&t=33m
15. FlyingSnake ◴[] No.43538921[source]
I’m sorry but I don’t get this Zed Shaw reference, what did I miss?
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16. bigfatkitten ◴[] No.43539165{3}[source]
My personal multicloud strategy for many years was to make full use of the free tier on as many providers as necessary.
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18. pedrocr ◴[] No.43540069{3}[source]
You elided the most famous quote from that diatribe. The lawnmower comparison is the expansion on:

"Do not fall into the trap of anthropomorphizing Larry Ellison"

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19. LPisGood ◴[] No.43540072[source]
>”enterprise sales process”

I’m sorry, is Oracle known to be some super sleazy sales org that plys enterprise decision makers with strippers and cocktails, and drugs?

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20. nisa ◴[] No.43540446{4}[source]
You can automate it using their API and some Python. It's like a puzzle game and I'm personally thankful for the free tier, it's pretty cool if you max it out you have multiple IPv4 addresses, IPv6 prefixes and so on - the machines boot via UEFI, you can run nixos and ZFS on them, you have a serial console via ssh/vnc and at least in Germany they have good connectivity and 10tb Traffic is plenty. Using it for something serious? Probably not. But for tinkering it's pretty cool and interesting if you enjoying some small quests. Running incus and some Kubernetes stuff on an arm box and 24gb memory and 200gb SSD is at least 10-20€ elsewhere.
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21. decompiled_dev ◴[] No.43540457{3}[source]
He's a popular blogger: https://zedshaw.com/
22. bigiain ◴[] No.43540512{3}[source]
Weapons grade infinte snark, probably.

He seems to have stopped blogging a few years back. I kinda miss his epic rants and Learning $whatever The Hard Way stuff. Part of me hopes them and whoever used to run n-gate moved to Portland and are now running a bespoke hand made piano business together or something.

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23. bigiain ◴[] No.43540565{3}[source]
I have absolutely no idea if you are being facetious or naive there.

Yes. Oracle is absolutely the tech vendor that's going to be dropped on the engineering team with zero input and no consideration for whether it fits the problems they have, after your CTO spends a a few days on the golf course and high end steak restaurants and, depending on how much money their enterprise sales team thinks they have, either high class escorts or sleazy strip joints. Given how common that story (or one very like it) is, I'm close to 100% certain those trips also include discreet photographers and hotel rooms wired with 4k video recording.

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24. protocolture ◴[] No.43540929[source]
I was talking to a customer in a construction company that had its entire internal project management platform sold to Oracle. < This was why they couldnt manage their end of a large project.

Oracle futzed it, and after a complete roll of the construction firms board of directors, they were in negotiations to buy their own program back for twice the price.

25. LPisGood ◴[] No.43540960{4}[source]
> I have absolutely no idea if you are being facetious or naive there.

Neither, but perhaps worse: I am young.

Are there any compilations of apocryphal stories of the events you described? It sounds too fantastic to be real.

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26. lanyard-textile ◴[] No.43541241{4}[source]
This is legitimately the first time I have ever seen it brought up too! I’ve never heard about this side of them.

Universally hated, but the legal aspects alone are hateworthy.

27. keyle ◴[] No.43541474[source]
"Oracle, where the Sun don't shine no more."
28. franktankbank ◴[] No.43541487{5}[source]
You sound like Fortune 500 CTO material young man.
29. slater ◴[] No.43541500{5}[source]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oracle_Corporation#Controversi...
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30. Philpax ◴[] No.43541749{4}[source]
I suspect that Zed and the n-gate author would not get along, given how ~~insufferable~~ opinionated the former is.
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32. eru ◴[] No.43541819{4}[source]
> [...] I'm close to 100% certain those trips also include discreet photographers and hotel rooms wired with 4k video recording.

Luckily, AI is about to make that particular tactic ineffective:

When you can deepfake any video evidence, the original becomes useless.

33. eru ◴[] No.43541829{6}[source]
OK, but this one is a pretty funny rebuttal:

> In 2000, Oracle attracted attention from the computer industry and the press after hiring private investigators to dig through the trash of organizations [...] When asked how he would feel if others were looking into Oracle's business activities, Ellison said: "We will ship our garbage to Redmond, and they can go through it. We believe in full disclosure."

34. CrimsonChapulin ◴[] No.43542009{5}[source]
I had a script calling their apis to setup one of their free arm instances after I deleted the one I had to change the OS (something I had done before).

After running every hour for several months I gave up (always out of capacity and it was impossible to change the region on free tier back then). They either had a bug that still showed my account as using the deleted resources or no capacity, both which seem out of place in a “cloud” infrastructure.

35. userbinator ◴[] No.43542191{4}[source]
Indeed it's hard to explain how he can be 80 years old and look like this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Larry_Ellison_-_American_...

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36. rr808 ◴[] No.43542237[source]
The problem is the people who have to use Oracle aren't the ones getting the steak or strippers.
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37. LargoLasskhyfv ◴[] No.43542453{5}[source]
Botox, DHEA, collagen, plastic surgery...
38. csomar ◴[] No.43542534{5}[source]
He is starting to look more and more like Donald Trump.
39. ibejoeb ◴[] No.43543309{3}[source]
"Everyone Else Must Fail" is a good read.
40. robertlagrant ◴[] No.43543830{4}[source]
Making a cloud provider that just wraps other providers' free tiers would be a fun challenge.
41. Aeolun ◴[] No.43545113{3}[source]
Isn’t that a feature?
42. BoppreH ◴[] No.43545773[source]
I use Oracle Cloud for my personal projects because of their generous free tier[1] which includes 4x Ampere A1 cores, 24 GB of RAM, and 10 TB of outbound data transfer per month.

I was ready to jump ship if they changed the terms, but I was not expecting a security incident.

[1]: https://www.oracle.com/cloud/free/

43. droopyEyelids ◴[] No.43549242{5}[source]
It would be like people compiling stories of eating a sandwich. No one is doing it because of how unremarkable and common it is.
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44. LPisGood ◴[] No.43550222{6}[source]
Many have written about Gavrilo Princip’s trip to the cafe - if the sandwich has sufficient intrigue and scandal around it, people will write (and read) about it.
45. photon_rancher ◴[] No.43553756{5}[source]
Yes that sort of stuff happens all the time in the business side of things. There’s a reason it’s a trope.

Not to every company per se but it’s been commonplace well probably for as long as business itself has been.

Just an example - nothing that happened in wolf of wall street was original to them - just the getting famous for being caught part. And that was only a few decades ago.

The defense and finance industries are famous for that sort of thing. I’m sure it’s pervasive elsewhere too.

There’s nothing special about software or tech or clouds that makes schmoozing impossible.