AI agents: Less capability, more reliability, please

I've been a sentient human for at least the last 15 years of tech advancement. Assuming this stuff actually works, it's only a matter of time before these AI services claw back all that value for themselves and hold users and businesses hostage to one another, just like social media and e-commerce before. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enshittification

Unless these tools can be run locally independent of a service provider, we're just trading one boss for another.

> Unless these tools can be run locally independent of a service provider, we're just trading one boss for another.

Many of them already can be. Many more existing models will become local options if/when RAM prices decline.

But this won't necessarily prevent enshittification, as there's always a possibility of a new model being tasked with pushing adverts or propaganda. And perhaps existing models already have been — certainly some people talk as if it's so.

The difference is that social media isn't special because of its hardware or software even. People are stuck on fa ebook because everyone else is on it. It's network effects. LLMs currently have no network effects. Your friends and family aren't "on" chatgpt so why use that over something else?

Once performance of a local setup is on par with online ones or good enough, that'll be game over for them.

> Unless these tools can be run locally independent of a service provider, we're just trading one boss for another.

Not only that, we have to be careful about all the integrations being built around it. Thankfully the MCP standard is becoming mainstream (used by Anthropic, OpenAI and next could be Google) and it's an open standard, even if started by Anthropic so we won't have e.g. Anthropic specific integrations.

All it takes is for the "omg AI slop!!111" and "would someone think of my copyrights?" crowd to get their way - resulting in a conventional or legal ban for using AI user-agents on the Internet without express consent of a site/service provider. From there, it will be APIs all over again: much like today, you can't easily pipe your Facebook photo to your OneDrive and make a calendar invite - but you can use (for example) Zapier with Facebook Integration, OneDrive Integration and Google Calendar Integration, we'll end up with LLM/chatbot companies whose main value is in their exclusive set of integrations they offer.

So true, it's not going to be "I use PolishDude20GPTBook because my family and friends are on it". It's going to be, "I use PolishDude20GPTBook because they have contracts with Gazeta.pl, Onet, TVN24, OLX and Allegro, so I can use it to get local news and find best-priced products in a convenient way, whereas I can't use TeMPOraLxity for any of that".

Contracts over APIs, again.

As long as the "think of my copyright / AI slop oneoneone" crowd wins. It must not.

People are worried about the wrong side of equation. Other problems with them notwithstanding, it's not the browser wars that killed interoperability on the Web - it's everyone else. Any browser you ever used could issue the same HTTP calls (up to standards of a given time, ofc.) - but it helps you with nothing if the endpoint only works when you've signed a contract to access the private API.

The same fate may come to AI, and that worries me. It won't matter whether you're using OpenAI models, Anthropic models, or locally run models, any more than it matters whether you use Firefox, Chrome or raw cURL - if the business gets to differentiate further between users and AI agents working as users, and especially if they get legal backing to doing that, you can kiss all the benefits of LLMs goodbye, they won't be yours as end-user, they'll all accrue to capitalists, who in turn will lend slivers of it to you, for a price of a subscription.

See my replies to other comments parallel to yours. But in short: MCP doesn't help us anymore than cURL lets you replicate Zapier in a shell script - the bad future is that, like with APIs, service providers get to differentiate between humans and AI user-agents, and restrict the latter to endpoints governed by B2B contracts.

> Any browser you ever used could issue the same HTTP calls (up to standards of a given time, ofc.) - but it helps you with nothing if the endpoint only works when you've signed a contract to access the private API.

Oh, you mean like everyone who shows up to the Cloudflare submissions pointing out how they've been blocklisted from about 50% of the Internet, without recourse, due to the audacity to not run Chrome? In that circumstance, it's actually worse(?) because to the best of my knowledge I cannot subscribe to Cloudflare Verified to not get the :fu: I just have to hope the Eye of Sauron doesn't find me

That reminds me, it's probably time for my semi-annual Google Takeout

Yeah, that's just an extension of what I said. After all, it's not Google/Chrome that's creating this problem - it's Cloudflare and people who buy this service from them, by making the lazy/economically prudent assumption that anyone who has an opinion on how they consume services can be bucketed together with scammers and denied access.

It stems from the problem I described though - blocking you for not using Chrome is just "only illegitimate users don't use Chrome", which is the next step after "only illegitimate users would want to use our API endpoints without starting a business and signing a formal contract with us".

The only reason that there is a "AI-slop-crowd" (as you call it) is that, well...there is a lot of (Gen-)AI slop. If the technology was as miraculous as it has been hyped up for several years now, there would be no such crowd. Everyone would just get on. If a tech just does what it says it does, everyone gets on board. Internet is a great example of this, so were the smartphones after the iPhone moment. There was never an Anti-Internet-Crowd, I wonder why that might be?

> There was never an Anti-Internet-Crowd, I wonder why that might be?

You forgot the dotcom boom? :)

Existence of AI slop has nothing to do with whether the tech itself is exceeding or falling short of its hype. It exists because it's good enough for advertising, the cancer on modern society that metastasizes to every new medium and technology, defiling and destroying everything it touches.