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298 points ColinWright | 7 comments | | HN request time: 0.731s | source | bottom
1. serbuvlad ◴[] No.43533300[source]
Gread idea. Odd first impression.

Wikipedia has 4 thumbs down 1 thumbs up and is grade B. Tor has 0 thumbs down 3 thumbs up and is grade C.

DuckDuckGo has only 1 thumbs down: "Instead of asking directly, this Service will assume your consent merely from your usage." and is grade B, presumably because of this. Startpage is grade A, has no thumbs down, but going on startpage does not prompt me to agree to anything either.

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2. olivergregory ◴[] No.43533410[source]
The grades are explained at the bottom of the page.

Regarding Startpage, It's not mandatory to show the cookie banner if you don't track. Startpage doesn't track you at all, so it's grade A.

Wikipedia has that all the bad things happen to your account except for the tracking, but you can still use Wikipedia without using an account. I agree that it's a B.

I'm not familiar enough with Tor to answer that grade.

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3. shadowwwind ◴[] No.43535054[source]
You only need to accept DuckDuckGo's ToS when you sign up for privacy pro. What the point means is that they can change the ToS and assume consent to the changes when you continue using it, instead if prompting again.

Startpage does not have or need a ToS

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4. shadowwwind ◴[] No.43535102[source]
See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43535046
5. danlitt ◴[] No.43535611[source]
> The grades are explained at the bottom of the page.

Are they? The table at the bottom page doesn't explain anything - in particular doesn't give any indication why Tor might be ranked below Wikipedia (for instance). How can a service with no mentioned negative qualities have a grade C?

6. Vinnl ◴[] No.43539046[source]
(For context, shadowwwind is a contributor to tosdr.)
7. IshKebab ◴[] No.43544673[source]
Yeah the grades seem pretty biased. Wikipedia has 4 thumbs down and is grade B, Whatsapp has 2 and is grade D. One of them is even the same as Wikipedia's. Apparently just having "Any liability on behalf of the service is only limited to the fees you paid as a user" (which seems fairly reasonable to me) is enough to go from B to D?