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hnburnsy ◴[] No.43520980[source]
For more background here is what Rubio said on Rumeysa Ozturk...

“We revoked her visa. It’s an F-1 visa, I believe. We revoked it, and here’s why—I’ve said it everywhere, and I’ll say it again.

Let me be abundantly clear: If you apply for a student visa to come to the United States and you say you’re coming not just to study, but to participate in movements that vandalize universities, harass students, take over buildings, and cause chaos—we’re not giving you that visa.

If you lie, get the visa, and then engage in that kind of behavior once you’re here, we’re going to revoke it. And once your visa is revoked, you’re no longer legally in the United States. Like every country, we have the right to remove you. It’s that simple.

It’s crazy—stupid, even—for any country to let people in who say, ‘I’m going to your universities to riot, take over libraries, and harass people.’ I don’t care what movement you’re with. Why would any country allow that?

We gave you a visa to study and earn a degree—not to become a social activist tearing up our campuses. If you use your visa to do that, we’ll take it away. And I encourage every country to do the same.

Every country has the right to decide who enters as a visitor. If you invite me to your house for dinner and I start putting mud on your couch and spray-painting your kitchen, you’re going to kick me out. We’ll do the same if you come to the U.S. and cause a ruckus.

We don’t want that here. Go do it in your own country—but not in ours.”

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jauntywundrkind ◴[] No.43521541[source]
Rubio is a sad sack of garbage, using the same mud slinging always on the attack belittling everyone everywhere vileness that is this fucked up administration's only way of coping with reality & the rest of the world.

You're going to take the word of a lunatic who signed off on not just deporting random people, but shipping them into slavery at an El Salvador super prison? A dude who has an autism tattoo in support of his brother? A dude who has his soccer team's logo as his tattoo?

Rubio & this administration are deeply unserious, acting as capriciously as possible. There's been no evidence, and incredible refusal to even allow the courts their legal chance to review grievances filed for Alien Enemies Act, as is required.

Having the head of state going around bullying people who wrote to the college Op-Eds is insane. This is so far below their status. Rubio is pissing his panties because someone wrote an op-ed accurately and simply asking the college to please recognize & act on a lawful & decent vote by the Tufts Community Union Senate is not a horrible act. This isn't putting mud on the couch or spray painting a kitchen, this is very basic & civil free speech, and Rubio is pissing on the bill of rights that Americans for 250 years have been proud of. Because he's a monster & a coward, in bed with other monsters and cowards.

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ranger_danger ◴[] No.43524022[source]
Be that as it may, I don't think that providing additional context from either side should be perceived as "taking the word of a lunatic" just because it happens to feed your confirmation bias.

And on that note, it seems that you agree at least in theory that there has not been any actual evidence presented, yet you seemingly won't accept it because you still assume that writing an op-ed is the only thing they have done, and you've already made up your mind on this matter.

Why don't we wait until the evidence comes out before jumping to conclusions?

I think it's entirely possible the student could have actually done something wrong, and either Rubio is simply not revealing it, or he actually doesn't know the details and was only told smaller bits from someone else. OR, maybe the student did not do anything besides the op-ed and the government is blowing it way out of proportion... but either seems just as plausible to me.

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jghn ◴[] No.43524589[source]
> Why don't we wait until the evidence comes out

Why do you assume this will ever happen?

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majorchord ◴[] No.43525156[source]
When has it not?
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Volundr ◴[] No.43527356[source]
How about the men already mentioned who have been shipped off to El Salvador? Action taken, people imprisoned in a foreign country where they conveniently no longer have access to the rights (until recently) afforded to them by virtue of being in the US, no evidence of any crimes committed has come out, yet the punishment is already locked in.
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ranger_danger ◴[] No.43527810[source]
It is still being litigated and I am confident the evidence will come out. And if there isn't any, there are procedures for dealing with that too.
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Volundr ◴[] No.43528258[source]
What procedures? Both the administration and Judge Boasberg assert that the court has no jurisdiction over the prisoners in El Salvador. Now that they have been remanded to El Salvador the US doesn't have jurisdiction at all.

What evidence? The administration has lready said in court that they have no evidence some of the men committed any crimes.

What's still being litigated is if the administration will be able to send any more flights to El Salvador.

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1. alwillis ◴[] No.43531424[source]
Now that they have been remanded to El Salvador the US doesn't have jurisdiction at all.

The latest is because the US government is paying El Salvador $6 million dollars to keep these men incarcerated, the US essentially has jurisdiction over them.

Also, because some women were included by mistake, they had to be flown back to the US… so we know the US government could have them returned to the US if they wanted to.

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2. AlecSchueler ◴[] No.43537766[source]
> The latest is because the US government is paying El Salvador $6 million dollars to keep these men incarcerated, the US essentially has jurisdiction over them.

What's the basis for how this works legally? Would the US no longer have commitments if the deal was done for free?

> Also, because some women were included by mistake, they had to be flown back to the US… so we know the US government could have them returned to the US if they wanted to.

Were they returned by request of the US? And does that mean that the US has to follow certain procedures as if those people were still under their jurisdiction?

It seems more likely that El Salvador rejected them because their prison is only for men.

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3. Volundr ◴[] No.43542623[source]
And right on que we have someone who the administration admits they wrongly sent, but also say the courts don't have the authority to bring him back:

https://archive.ph/LGs2Z

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4. AlecSchueler ◴[] No.43543671{3}[source]
Thanks for sharing, I actually just returned to share the same news. No one saw this coming huh?