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1. rayiner ◴[] No.43529773[source]
Someone writes whether the data actually shows what it purports to show: https://statmodeling.stat.columbia.edu/2020/01/09/filters-be...

> The whole thing is driven by one data point and a linear trend which makes no theoretical sense in the context of the paper (from the abstract: “Air testing conducted inside schools during the leak (but before air filters were installed) showed no presence of natural gas pollutants, implying that the effectiveness of air filters came from removing common air pollutants”) but does serve to create a background trend to allow a big discontinuity with some statistical significance.

I’m reminded of the walkback of scientific studies showing massive benefits from giving kids in third world countries deworming medications: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/jul/23/research-glo....

My beef with Matt Y.’s worldview of “scientifically driven public policy” is that the costs and benefits of public policy interventions are so devilishly difficult to study that you can’t meaningfully use them on realistic time scales to drive policy. This is an exceedingly simple hypothesis—filtering air improves test scores—that can easily be tested while controlling for confounding factors. But even then it’s hard!

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2. sudoshred ◴[] No.43530105[source]
The material impacts associated with the recommendations a study makes can influence the results in a way that does not favor objectivity.
3. Analemma_ ◴[] No.43530172[source]
The study itself is pretty explicit that it is just one encouraging case study which the authors believe merits follow-up research, rather than something conclusive. Matt Y's reporting isn't as forthcoming about this as it probably should've been, but he does also say the same thing at the end. He sort of buried the lede but didn't lie or anything.
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4. rayiner ◴[] No.43531346[source]
I'm not accusing Matt Y. of lying. I like him and subscribe to his Substack. I'm just saying that the article illustrates the shortcoming of his approach to public policy. His data-driven approach to public policy is based on an overly optimistic view of reliability of the data.
5. rnjailamba ◴[] No.43531351[source]
Andrew Gelman: "No, I don’t think that this study offers good evidence that installing air filters in classrooms has surprisingly large educational benefits." https://statmodeling.stat.columbia.edu/2020/01/09/no-i-dont-... (Adding this older link here for cross reference)

A thread on Gelman's article is here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22006595.