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Paged Out #6 [pdf]

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laacz ◴[] No.43522240[source]
I really like this. Reminds me of ezines and webzines. However, I'm tempted to ask - how to comfortably read this on a computer if you don't have a reasonably good vision? Either you have to scroll up and down to follow the content, or you see whole page at once, but need to squint to read contents.
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gynvael ◴[] No.43522430[source]
(PO! lead here) You are right, that's one of the unfortunate limitations of the format – having to constantly scroll the PDF. And this is on me, since ultimately I've made some decisions when establishing it which basically boxed us into this format.

I.e. thanks to using a PDF we can give authors full flexibility on how to lay out their article, which allows folks to be really really creative (as you can see in this issue). The obvious problem with that (apart from countless hours foxtrot_charlie - our DTP/PDF programmer - has to spent on fighting with PDF weirdness) is that reading an A4 PDF isn't great for phones, computers screens, or tables. It's even worse if you're using a screen reader, since getting PDFs in the way we get them and making them screen reader compatible is... complicated, to say the least (that's why it's not yet there). On the flip side, everyone has a PDF reader nowadays, articles look everywhere the same (this wouldn't be true for other formats), and it's also printable almost out of the box.

So, pros and cons. At the end of the day I don't think there's an easy out for us without breaking any of the things which make Paged Out! what folks like about it. The things I want to improve is getting printed versions more accessible, and some day finally getting solid screen reader support. But other than that I do believe the scrolling problem with remain with the zine.

ETA: Actually I also want "readings" of articles to become a thing. From the get go we put the in the author's license (note: not all articles use it, but most do) the ability for folks to agree to have their articles be recorded in an audio form. I think that would be cool for folks who like consuming things like audiobooks or podcasts. And it would save us from scrolling (for the cost of having illustrations described instead of seeing them).

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1. linsomniac ◴[] No.43525206[source]
First of all let me say that I think this is a really great zine. I'm not really a zine guy, but I'm really excited about this. But, gently, let me say this format kind of sucks for reading. I generally HATE reading on paper, but this had me saying "I'd buy this on paper". My biggest gripe is I read partway through last night, and then wanted to go back to it today and my browser "suspended" that tab so I'm back at the front page. Probably like if I laid down a print pub. ;-) I guess the right answer there is to download and open it in a pdf reader.

All that said, I'd encourage you to NOT switch to HTML and leave it as PDF. There's something about it.

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2. psd1 ◴[] No.43526350[source]
Re PDF/HTML...

I suppose it's not the literal file format, although I do see value in a format that is closer to "everyone gets the same experience" (c.f. recent blogpost about grammarly extension borking CSS)

I miss when you got one edition of your favourite mag, once a month, and could read it beginning to end, or on any order you fancy, but you got _an amount_ of content and could complete it.

Web properties of any scale now do not really have a "size" that you can experience. You can't "complete" them.

And this breaks up a communal experience. I'm on HN, and so are you: but we're not on the same HN. Whereas if I see you picking up Total Guitar, I could ask you if you got anywhere with the Satch tab in October's edition.

Is that what you were driving at?