This is so utterly frightening.
And disturbing to see how quickly stories like this are flagged into invisibility on HN.
edit: luckily enough people vouched for the story to be rescued.
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edit: luckily enough people vouched for the story to be rescued.
As an outsider, especially as one who visited the US every quarter for over two decades, and was asked every time on the purpose of my weeklong trip, I see nothing wrong with the deportation of someone in violation of their visa requirements.
I also don’t see how foreigners (or “aliens” as US law seems to prefer) can claim protection under the US Constitution. If the latter does provide it, that’s great, but frankly it makes no sense to me.
As a visitor to a country I expect to follow that country’s laws, and not expect any privileges which are afforded to that country’s citizens.
Everybody, including the country's citizens, are also expected to follow the country's law. If you come to the US and get mauled, as a non-citizen you have the right to the same protection as anybody else. If you are suspected of mauling someone, as a non-citizen you are afforded the same rights to a fair trial as citizens. If it was legal in the US to beat up a foreigner because they are not protected by the law, it wouldn't be very safe for you.
This is the rule of law [0] and is a really important concept in modern democracy. This is why foreigners on US soil can expect some protection by the laws of the country, of which the constitution is the foundation.
> As a visitor to a country I expect to follow that country’s laws, and not expect any privileges which are afforded to that country’s citizens.
Visas indeed have additional legal requirements, typically around rights to work or study. It is unlikely that a US visa would specifically restrict speech or protests (you are welcome to check this in your visas), and so it is the rule of law that applies.
In short, what is being disputed here is not that a foreign citizen was deported for violating the law, but that the deportation was decided by the executive branch of government, which is a breach of the separation of powers.
The response by the government is that it is legal for them to rescind any visa arbitrarily. This is currently being debated hotly in the US, and is essentially the background for this article.
https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artI-S8-C18-8...
Eventually, the Supreme Court extended these constitutional protections to all aliens within the United States, including those who entered unlawfully, declaring that "aliens who have once passed through our gates, even illegally, may be expelled only after proceedings conforming to traditional standards of fairness encompassed in due process of law." The Court reasoned that aliens physically present in the United States, regardless of their legal status, are recognized as "persons" guaranteed due process of law by the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments