Trump's attacks on universities get darker, with shadows reaching our shores

Anyone who might dismiss this as being just a few isolated cases — or who think it is desirable to just remove political opponents from the equation — should think long and hard about what it will actually take to maintain this kind of “criminalisation of dissent” over the long term… escalation is inevitable.

There is clearly an intentional narrative being pushed that defines anyone who disagrees with the current administration’s ideology as an enemy who should be punished. Even if the risk to any one person is currently relatively small, just the threat itself will have profound effects on individual’s decisions.

A massive brain drain seems inevitable but such a war on free speech will also radicalise people, even if it starts only in whispers. That will likely necessitate further oppressive measures to “stamp it out” and so forth, creating a vicious cycle. With each iteration the stakes increase, justifying increasingly violent measures & countermeasures on both sides, further increasing the consequences of — and the need avoid — actually being held accountable for those actions…

I'm concerned about this as well. If this keeps progressing, we could see a monoculture develop among elite institutions and media where the shots are being called by three letter agencies. We could get to a place where federal agencies are working directly with social media companies to coordinate censorship of dissent and set speech guidelines. If they don't oblige they'll be threatened with arbitrary enforcement and getting dragged out in front of Congress.

Eventually there could be an entire political capture of these social media companies, universities, journalists, NGOS etc where 90%+ of its employees subscribe to one political party .

But it gets even worse. If this continues we could see activist judges try to throw political rivals in jail. They would even change the law in order to try to get them to go to prison, combining misdemeanors into felonies.

And this says nothing about the rhetoric. By casting political opponents as villains, this invites assassination attempts and general lawlessness to intimidate people perceived as not falling in line. By this point the media will be complicit so there will be no investigation into these activities. Even a failed assassination attempt would be at most a few day story with no reporting on motive or coordination.

I too am very concerned about all of this.

So the final solution is a masked police force abducting people off the streets and rushing them onto a flight to a death camp in El Salvador?

I get you are being cute, but let's be real. Nothing "the left" did compares to this.

I don't agree with your characterization, but fine let me grant it for now.

The current issue isn't the US deporting or revoking visas. The issue is there's a process to both do that, which involves a trial, and a process to deport, which also involves a trial.

Neither of those are happening. Instead, the admin is unilaterally decreeing a visa or citizenship is invalid and then they are rushing individuals across the country with promises of a direct flight to El Salvador.

One of the many reasons we have trials is to ensure that the agency actually caught the right person.

There's SO much wrong with what you're saying. I hate that these things happen too, but ... stop the absurd hyperbole. This isn't criminal prosecution in any way shape or form.

1) ZERO citizenships are being "decreed invalid". I don't know where you get any ideas to the opposite.

2) revoking a visa does not involve a trial. ANY border control officer can do that, for any reason, including for no reason. This has always happened, including under Biden or Obama, only the reasons have changed (a bit)

3) only removing a green card requires "a trial". It's specified between scare quotes because it is called a trial but is NOT subject to the normal rules of justice (to give one extreme example: you do not have the right to a jury trial, you don't even have the right to be present at trial). The judges are employees of the executive (hired and fired, NOT appointed) and thus under the control of the executive (ie. Trump).

It's definitely a step up from the visa "process" but ...

It's like "youth court". It's called a trial. It happens in a courtroom. In youth court, the judges are actual judges. BUT IT'S NOT A TRIAL. You don't have the right to defense. You don't have the right to a jury trial (or the same as immigration, you don't even have the right to be present).

4) You can leave ICE detention by "self-removing". This involves proving you've booked a flight, and they will bring you to the airport to catch your flight. So you're not detained.

5) this is just utterly ridiculous: "One of the many reasons we have trials is to ensure that the agency actually caught the right person"

Yes. But these are NOT trials (even the green card removal isn't). To get US citizenship you must prove yourself for, at minimum, 10 years, often more, the the executive of the US government.

6) I would ALSO like to point out that what Trump is doing is the norm in the whole world. Including in Europe. In the Netherlands, protesting while on a VISA is stupid, and if you get arrested, you will be removed. Maybe not the first time, but it will happen. I hear France is the same.

1) Hasn't happened that I'm aware of, it's definitely something trump is loudly signalling he wants to do. Even issuing executive orders about it. [1]

2) Fair point.

3) You still have a right to appeal unfavorable determinations.

4) This assumes the ICE agents are following the laws. I don't believe they are.

5) Even as someone caught by ICE you still have the rights to an attorney and you have legal rights to claim this was a false arrest. ICE may have extra enforcement capabilities over non-citizens, it cannot hold citizens.

6) One of the most recent deportees, Rumeysa Ozturk, didn't protest. She wrote an op ed [2]. Further, ICE violated judicial orders not to deport. [3]

[1] https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/01/27/trum...

[2] https://www.tuftsdaily.com/article/2024/03/4ftk27sm6jkj

[3] https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/29/us/rumeysa-ozturk-tufts-unive...

"... ICE you still have the rights to an attorney and you have legal rights to claim ..."

Which is exactly what your example Rumeysa Oztruk is doing, and ICE seems to be respecting the order. Which undercuts your point number 4 a bit. If she asked to leave detention by leaving the US, would ICE stop her, and forcibly keep her in detention? I'm going to assume "no" ... why would ICE violate one inconvenient law, but respect another?

ICE could make the argument she is only in detention because she explicitly asked for it, that she is only detained because she delayed her deportation.

But more than that, I think Rumeysa Ozturk is yet another example of someone who just won't get support from people. She's a rich kid being given an easy path in life, yelling loudly how bad the people helping her are, and ... good luck defending that one in an economy where people are losing jobs.

Probably she's here on the dime of her parents, with a scholarship (a PhD IS a scholarship, a subsidy, so there's really just a question of how much it covers), with the goal of letting her immigrate into the US and get a better job, better life, here than she could ever hope to get in Turkey ... the world is extremely UNfair, and she is the benefactor of enormous unfairness.

Given what has happened to the economy in the past few years, and how many people have experienced setbacks 10x worse than losing a free and easy path in life.

To some extent people don't seem to realize "you want the right for an easy path in life for people in X (Turkey, China, Gaza, ...). Fine, Great even, but the US government FIRST must create such path for everyone in Appalachia. You want it done for Turks? Great. I even agree that that should be done. But not by the US government, by the Turkish government"

And yes this is a "if I can't have it, you can't have it either" argument, and it is mean, jealous and vindictive ... but Rumeysa's defense is essentially "let them eat cake". She has support from the US government for her education, which many locals don't have (and many MAGA are going to say a student in education sciences isn't helping the US, she's just taking jobs and subsidies away from US people. This isn't entirely untrue. She is not an exceptional talent that will elevate the US, economically or politically, or even in sport, or otherwise. In other words, she's "wasting" the US government support she's receiving, bluntly why shouldn't US citizens have first dibs on wasting US government support?)

In that situation she goes out writing op-ed, complaining, doing what the executive (even under Biden) would consider sabotaging US government policy? sigh. Really?

To add insult to injury, to put it VERY mildly, what is happening in Turkey, is still a lot worse than what is happening to her. The US doesn't seem to be able to count on Turkey's help to rectify those problems. She wants to fix the world, yell at a government? Then go join the yelling at Turkey's government, they have destroyed their universities, replacing all teachers with Erdogan loyalists, imprisoning tens of thousands just for holding a university job (and I guarantee every last teacher, assistant and student on a visa was deported from Turkey, regardless of their political stance). Turks, who supported that (she seems to care about religion, which in Turks is a near-guarantee that they support Erdogan). And then she loudly criticizes the US for using money and visa policy to influence university positions? (as opposed to what HER government does: arresting, imprisoning for decades, even torturing the entire faculty staff)

So I also predict you will not see any real uprising against this until people can't make the argument "she could easily have avoided this in 10 different ways and effectively chose this path".

It sucks, but you just won't.

> ICE seems to be respecting the order.

Only after defying the order to keep her in Mass. and illegally transporting her to a detention facility in Louisiana.

ICE and the Trump admin are operating under "Ask for forgiveness" with their actions. If they think a Judge will stop them, they try to act before the order is disseminated to claim "woopiedoodle".

As for everything about how she's not a perfect victim. I just don't care. Even if she's a serial killer, she shouldn't be treated like this. We have laws and procedures for how we treat people. At a bare minimum even the worst person on earth deserves not to be disappeared.

I also don't really care that "well turkey is worse". Why does that matter? North Korea is worse, does that mean an asylum seeker from there has no rights to express any opinion against the US government?

A foundational part of the US government is that political speech is and should be protected.

I also don't think you actually read the op ed. It did not criticize the US government.

The entire op ed can be summed up as "The student senate voted that you should divest from Israel. You should follow what the students have told you to do". That's it. It gave reasons for divestment and historical comparisons to the divestment of south africa. It did not actually mention US policy of funding israel in any way.