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BigglesB ◴[] No.43514331[source]
Anyone who might dismiss this as being just a few isolated cases — or who think it is desirable to just remove political opponents from the equation — should think long and hard about what it will actually take to maintain this kind of “criminalisation of dissent” over the long term… escalation is inevitable.

There is clearly an intentional narrative being pushed that defines anyone who disagrees with the current administration’s ideology as an enemy who should be punished. Even if the risk to any one person is currently relatively small, just the threat itself will have profound effects on individual’s decisions.

A massive brain drain seems inevitable but such a war on free speech will also radicalise people, even if it starts only in whispers. That will likely necessitate further oppressive measures to “stamp it out” and so forth, creating a vicious cycle. With each iteration the stakes increase, justifying increasingly violent measures & countermeasures on both sides, further increasing the consequences of — and the need avoid — actually being held accountable for those actions…

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yyyk[dead post] ◴[] No.43514662[source]
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bhouston ◴[] No.43514732[source]
> This had already happened for a long while in the US, it just used slightly different means like protests, cancellation or boycotts, just the victims were from the other side.

It sounds like this is viewed as revenge? The trend of using state power as revenge against groups one doesn't like is problematic and can be escalatory. As it escalates, eventually groups will fear the loss state power and that can lead to the end of democracy.

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ptero ◴[] No.43514867[source]
I see it not as revenge but as actions of a deeply broken system. Which broke well before the last elections.

We cannot just wish the current administration away. It is the result of the fact that the US system is seen as broken by many outside of coastal elites. And that they do not like being trodden on in the names of covid, climate or equity.

The sooner the opponents of the current administration start working on issues that matter to people they lost (instead of going further left and screaming louder), the less damage Trump can inflict. My 2c.

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bhouston ◴[] No.43514968[source]
> The sooner the opponents of the current administration ...instead of going further left and screaming louder), the less damage Trump can inflict. My 2c.

I think the left may see that being conciliatory and moving to the center isn't the way to win. Trump didn't do that and it worked. I think people see that Bernie and AOC are the only politicians on the left that people are actually excited about. They can do the Trump playbook but from the left. Run as something new and untried.

Otherwise the left just becomes Trump-lite, undifferentiated and not as good as the original.

I think when people view the system as broken, they want to try new things. So be something new.

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1. ptero ◴[] No.43515204[source]
Maybe. Time in opposition, when well spent, is the most effective way to revive a party.

Although I think AOC and Bernie fire up their own base, the people who do not need firing up and will vote for the left anyway. I think going harder left will likely alienate people whom the democrats recently lost and a more centrist agenda can attract more people repelled by Trump’s antics.

I am not a politician, but if left goes farther left I personally will be sitting out the next election regardless of how crazy Donald gets.

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2. SauciestGNU ◴[] No.43517963[source]
This is really amusing to me. I in no way want to diminish your argument or beliefs, but the right are replaying the literal Nazi playbook with abductions of "undesirables" and using state power against political dissidents, but some people will sit that out and implicitly endorse *literal* Nazis because the left asked people to respect trans people's gender identity or whatever the particular beef is.