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abalone ◴[] No.43490012[source]
It’s not just Gruber. As both a medium-high HN karma person and a Gruber fan I can say there is a definite reduction in the overall quality of discourse around Apple news versus general topics on HN. Much more knee jerk reactions.

I theorize this is due to the overall startup versus incumbents focus as well as the hacker ethos of being opposed to more buttoned up closed systems meant for the general public. Like for example recent posts on EU regulation of Apple get generally favorable reactions and little analysis of actual consumer experience impact, of which Gruber is more keenly analytical.

E.g. most of us on HN would generally appreciate having opt-in side loading and whatnot onto our Apple devices, like macOS. So Gruber just sounds like some kind of apologist when he says this would hurt consumers in the large. We more advanced hacker types are quick to say PEBKAC.

But it’s a shame because his analysis actually offers really good insight in how to build successful consumer products the Apple way.

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rchaud ◴[] No.43493578[source]
> I can say there is a definite reduction in the overall quality of discourse around Apple news versus general topics on HN. Much more knee jerk reactions.

"Knee jerk reactions" presumes that Apple today behaves no differently than it did before when discussions "felt" more civil. That would be pretty far from the truth. Old Apple didn't piss off its developer community for the sake of protecting its walled garden, it didn't launch $3500 baubles nobody can afford and leave it to third party devs to fill the gaps. And the less said about Apple's foray into AI, the better.

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1. abalone ◴[] No.43495632[source]
You know this comment made me realize something. Apple and Meta are basically in an escalating Cold War. Apple recently singled out Meta as the number one requester of privacy-sensitive APIs and beneficiary of EU-mandated broader access for 3rd parties. Meta responded by calling Apple “anticompetitive“ and lobbying for government intervention.[1]

So let’s consider this comment with that in mind:

* Meta is pissed off it doesn’t have more user data access inside Apple’s walled garden

* Meta makes more affordable VR glasses

* Meta released a high quality, developer friendly AI model

In other words, these are all Meta-friendly points.

I’m old enough to remember the Mac vs PC days when people would get utterly tribal on the internet about it. Maybe that’s where HN is at now. You can see why a startup focused third party developer community might lean towards busting open walled gardens.

[1] https://apnews.com/article/apple-meta-european-union-digital...