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Waymos crash less than human drivers

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wnissen ◴[] No.43487648[source]
Serious crash rates are a hockey stick pattern. 20% of the drivers cause 80% of the crashes, to a rough approximation. For the worst 20% of drivers, the Waymo is almost certainly better already.

Honestly, at this point I am more interested in whether they can operate their service profitably and affordably, because they are clearly nailing the technical side.

For example data from a 100 driver study, see table 2.11, p. 29. https://rosap.ntl.bts.gov/view/dot/37370 Roughly the same number of drivers had 0 or 1 near-crashes as had 13-50+. One of the drivers had 56 near crashes and 4 actual crashes in less than 20K miles! So the average isn't that helpful here.

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Terr_ ◴[] No.43490189[source]
Hmmm, perhaps a more-valuable representation would be how the average Waymo vehicle would place as a percentile ranking among human drivers, in accidents-per-mile.

Ex: "X% of humans do better than Waymo does in accidents per mile."

That would give us an intuition for what portion of humans ought to let the machine do the work.

P.S.: On the flip-side, it would not tell us how often those people drove. For example, if the Y% of worse-drivers happen to be people who barely ever drive in the first place, then helping automate that away wouldn't be as valuable. In contrast, if they were the ones who did the most driving...

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seizethecheese ◴[] No.43490599[source]
With a distribution like this, percentile would be misleading, though
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conorjh ◴[] No.43492031[source]
isnt it a bit odd they always seem to be at the scene of a crash but somehow always a victim?
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Retric ◴[] No.43492443[source]
No? If they cause less accidents then people will hit them more often than they hit other people.

My car has been involved in more fender benders while parked in perfectly legal spaces than when I was driving it.

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danaris ◴[] No.43492603[source]
However, such a pattern can also occur if the Waymo cars are stopping more abruptly or frequently than a human driver would be expected to.

In such a case, they might not be considered legally at fault, but they would still be, in practical terms, a significant cause of the crash.

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saalweachter ◴[] No.43493438[source]
No, tailgating would be a significant cause of the crash.

A driver -- legally, logically, practically -- should always maintain a safe following distance from the vehicle in front of them so that they can stop safely. It doesn't matter if the vehicle in front of them suddenly slams on the brakes because a child or plastic bag jumped in front of them, because they suddenly realized they need to make a left turn, or mixed up the pedals.

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1. potato3732842 ◴[] No.43493800[source]
This is dumb circular logic though.

Sure, the current system won't make those bad drivers pay up for that behavior, but dumping a bunch of them onto the roads is a net negative overall.