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imcritic ◴[] No.43484638[source]
I don't get how someone achieves reproducibility of builds: what about files metadata like creation/modification timestamps? Do they forge them? Or are these data treated as not important enough (like it 2 files with different metadata but identical contents should have the same checksum when hashed)?
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jzb ◴[] No.43485346[source]
Debian uses a tool called `strip-nondeterminism` to help with this in part: https://salsa.debian.org/reproducible-builds/strip-nondeterm...

There's lots of info on the Debian site about their reproducibility efforts, and there's a story from 2024's DebConf that may be of interest: https://lwn.net/Articles/985739/

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frakkingcylons ◴[] No.43489144[source]
I see this is written in Perl, is that the case with most Debian tooling?
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fooker ◴[] No.43490179[source]
It’s helpful to think of Perl as a superior bash, rather than a worse python, when it comes to scripting.
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eviks ◴[] No.43491620[source]
How is that helpful to ignore a better alternative just because a worse one exists?
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palata ◴[] No.43491767[source]
They precisely say they use it as a better alternative to bash. Obviously they don't think that Python is a better alternative here... or did I misunderstand the question?
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eviks ◴[] No.43491793[source]
Not obvious to me that they think Python is worse than Perl, and make the phrase even less sensible.
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1. dizhn ◴[] No.43491988[source]
Weird wording yes. I read it as "yes perl is better than bash" (I assume for tasks that need actual programming languages), "no it's not worse than python".
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2. ben0x539 ◴[] No.43492687[source]
I'm not reading it as "it's not worse than python", I am reading it as "the choice was between bash and perl, python was not an option for reasons unrelated to its merits"