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Waymos crash less than human drivers

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labrador ◴[] No.43487628[source]
I was initially skeptical about self-driving cars but I've been won over by Waymo's careful and thoughtful approach using visual cues, lidar, safety drivers and geo-fencing. That said I will never trust my life to a Tesla robotaxi that uses visual cues only and will drive into a wall painted to look like the road ahead like Wile E. Coyote. Beep beep.

Man Tests If Tesla Autopilot Will Crash Into Wall Painted to Look Like Road https://futurism.com/tesla-wall-autopilot

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ggreer ◴[] No.43488043[source]
Mark Rober's video is misleading. First, he used autopilot, not FSD. Second, he sped up to 42mph and turned on autopilot a few seconds before impact[1], but he edited the Youtube video to make it look like he started autopilot a from a standstill far away from the barrier. Third, there is an alert message on his screen. It's too small to read in the video, but it could be the "autopilot will not brake" alert that happens when you put your foot on the gas.

In the water test, Rober has the Tesla driving down the center of the road, straddling the double yellow line. Autopilot will not do this, and the internal shots of the car crop out the screen. He almost certainly manually drove the car through the water and into the dummy.

One person tried to reproduce Rober's Wile E. Coyote test using FSD. FSD v12 failed to stop, but FSD v13 detected the barrier and stopped in time.[2]

Lidar would probably improve safety, but Rober's video doesn't prove anything. He decided on an outcome before he made the video.

1. https://x.com/MarkRober/status/1901449395327094898

2. https://x.com/alsetcenter/status/1902816452773810409

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labrador[dead post] ◴[] No.43488210[source]
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renewiltord ◴[] No.43490639[source]
Videos on YouTube are also not a reliable source. But your demand for rigor seems rather isolated.
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1. labrador ◴[] No.43491619[source]
Other entertainment sites don't claim to be the source of all truth like Elon Musk does of X and Grok. Just 4 hours ago he posted what he said on Rogan.

"Grok is aspirationally a maximally truth-seeking ai, even if that truth is like politically incorrect”

Meanwhile, he deletes your account if you offend him

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2. concordDance ◴[] No.43492026[source]
> Meanwhile, he deletes your account if you offend him

Willing to bet this is not true.

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3. labrador ◴[] No.43495099[source]
I asked Grok to "please give me a list of X accounts Elon Musk has suspended because he did not like their content"

The result is too long to post here but here's a sample

"Chad Loder - Suspended November 2022. A left-wing activist identifying January 6 participants, Loder was banned after Musk reportedly pressured X’s trust and safety head, per Bloomberg. The content—exposing far-right figures Musk has since aligned with—may have clashed with his views, though no public Musk comment confirms this."