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globalise83 ◴[] No.43470944[source]
Bear in mind the drop in deliveries from Musk's fascist antics isn't even reflected in this data yet due to lag time between sales and delivery.
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cyberjerkXX ◴[] No.43471053[source]
Musk is not a fascist. Fascists don't follow neoclassical economics. Fascism is a very clear and well defined philosophy. None of what is going on fits that definition. He's not even Hegelian.
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dragonwriter ◴[] No.43473125[source]
> Musk is not a fascist.

He is an active, high-level, participant (formally an adivsor, clearly practically exercising directive influence) in a fascist, kleptocratic regime. There may be some definition of personally being a fascist where this is consistent with him not being a fascist, but I would suggest that any such definition is inconsistent with what the bast majority of people you might speak to mean by “being a fascist”.

> Fascists don't follow neoclassical economics.

Neoclassical economics, like Newtonian mechanics, is an approximate descriptive model, not a normative system; to the degree that it is accurate, everyone follows it, regardless of ideology.

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cyberjerkXX ◴[] No.43473272[source]
He, and Trump, do not meet the definition of fascism. He is not pushing the supremacy of the State. He is not stating the State must control all aspects of society. He is not forcing businesses to close because they don't support the State. He is not banning other political parties. He is not Anti-Democracy. He is not Anti-Liberalism. They do not practice Hegelian Dialectic. These are the requirements for Fascism.

Musk and Trump - are well within the bounds of Liberalism. They may not be John Rawls. Trump is a Neo-Liberal protectionist. Musk tends to be more classical liberalism.

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1. bluesnowmonkey ◴[] No.43475070[source]
That's weird, I went to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_fascism and saw a lot of definitions but nothing about Hegelian Dialectic. I did see this list of defining characteristics of fascism:

1. Powerful and continuing expressions of nationalism 2. Disdain for the importance of human rights 3. Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause 4. The supremacy of the military/avid militarism 5. Rampant sexism 6. A controlled mass media 7. Obsession with national security 8. Religion and ruling elite tied together 9. Power of corporations protected 10. Power of labor suppressed or eliminated 11. Disdain and suppression of intellectuals and the arts 12. Obsession with crime and punishment 13. Rampant cronyism and corruption 14. Fraudulent elections

By my count, Trump and his movement score 14 out of 14.