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globalise83 ◴[] No.43470944[source]
Bear in mind the drop in deliveries from Musk's fascist antics isn't even reflected in this data yet due to lag time between sales and delivery.
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tlogan ◴[] No.43471550[source]
Honest question: how is Musk “fascist”?

A core feature of historical fascism is a significantly expanded government. For example, under Mussolini’s regime (1922–1943), the Italian state dramatically increased its control over the economy — by 1939, it controlled over 80% of shipping and shipbuilding, and around 75% of iron and steel production. He also significantly expanded the state bureaucracy to enforce fascist ideology — from education to the media.

I’m not defending Musk’s behavior or suggesting anything, but labeling him “fascist” doesn’t seem historically accurate.

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drcongo ◴[] No.43472004[source]
> by 1939, it controlled over 80% of shipping and shipbuilding, and around 75% of iron and steel production

Not because of fascism, because it needed to ramp up for war.

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1. zmgsabst ◴[] No.43472936[source]
Fascism explicitly includes an economic component.

> […] strong regimentation of society and the economy.

> "Fascist goals" – the creation of a nationalist dictatorship to regulate economic structure […]

> Paxton argues: “fascism redrew the frontiers between private and public, sharply diminishing what had once been untouchably private. […] It reconfigured relations between the individual and the collectivity, so that an individual had no rights outside community interest.

> The Fascist Manifesto supported the creation of an eight-hour work day for all workers, a minimum wage, worker representation in industrial management, equal confidence in labour unions as in industrial executives and public servants, reorganization of the transportation sector, revision of the draft law on invalidity insurance, reduction of the retirement age from 65 to 55, a strong progressive tax on capital, confiscation of the property of religious institutions and abolishment of bishoprics, and revision of military contracts to allow the government to seize 85% of profits.

Etc.

All quotes taken from:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism