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upofadown ◴[] No.43470130[source]
SPF/DKIM is really about mail server reputation. So it mostly benefits larger servers like the ones run by Google, Microsoft and Yahoo. Unfortunately, that means that attempts by those larger providers to combat spam using such reputation will naturally hurt smaller providers. So the actual effects of SPF/DKIM are on the whole negative.

The root problem is that we don't actually need to keep track of email server reputation. No one says to themselves "Huh, this is from a Gmail address, it must be legit". We really want to keep track of sender reputation. We need to be able to treat anonymous email differently than email from people we actually know. That implies that we have some work to do on the problem of identity. As it is, there is not even a way for a known email sender to securely introduce an unknown email sender. You know, the way that regular human people normally are able to transfer identities from one to the other.

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dig1 ◴[] No.43470355[source]
> That implies that we have some work to do on the problem of identity. As it is, there is not even a way for a known email sender to securely introduce an unknown email sender.

There is: gpg/pgp signature, but many people find it complicated, primarily because they are reluctant to read the documentation. And it’s popular to criticize it, especially here on HN, in favor of various half-baked alternatives.

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simiones ◴[] No.43470634[source]
I think everyone can agree that any technology that "isn't complicated if you read the documentation" is by definition complicated. I don't need to read the documentation for Gmail to use Gmail successfully.

Could I, as a trained programmer, use PGP and GPG? I'm sure I could if I spent some time reading about it. Could my 90 year old grandmother, who is otherwise quite comfortable with email and whatsapp? No, not to any meaningful extent.

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bluGill ◴[] No.43471229[source]
There are times you need complexity enough to be worth training costs. There is one universal word "nanana", and maybe babies cry (it seems many babies have unique cries for different needs: I suspect that is training between babies and their parents - anyone done research on this?). All other language is because you spend years in training. If you can read this or write a response that implies training.

The important point from the above is it was worth the effort to learn. The only person I know who is a strong advocate of PGP was a missionary to Romania before the iron curtain fell - he had strong reason to hide what he was saying from government level actors and even today still is willing for extra effort to protect himself. For most of us though our threat profile isn't (or doesn't seem to be) that high and so learning how to use the tool isn't worth it.

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1. simiones ◴[] No.43471962[source]
I absolutely agree that PGP/GPG have important use-cases for which they are the state of the art and well worth learning. This doesn't mean that they are not complicated technologies though.