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Spammers are better at SPF, DKIM, and DMARC than everyone else

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429 points pabs3 | 1 comments | 25 Mar 25 08:14 UTC | HN request time: 0s | source
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csomar ◴[25 Mar 25 10:54 UTC] No.43469802[source]▶
I am just having this problem. Actually getting SPF, DKIM and DMARC right and having a domain with a 0 spam score will still land you in the spam directory. It turns out, you need to have a "reputation"? before your email gets accepted into gmail. My head was spinning as to how that reputation will be built if your email just goes straight to spam.

But sure, Linkedin emails are definitively not spam and their dark-patterns at adding you at n+1 emailing list doesn't get them banned from the big (or any?) provider.

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thesuitonym ◴[25 Mar 25 13:18 UTC] No.43470850[source]▶
> Actually getting SPF, DKIM and DMARC right and having a domain with a 0 spam score will still land you in the spam directory.

This little bit of wisdom gets passed around all the time, but it's actually not true. You can send email from a brand new domain to Google and Microsoft and whoever just fine. What you can't do is send email from a brand new domain, and a brand new email server--or an email server on a VPS, or an email server on a residential IP. Residential IP blocks are almost completely blocked, because of unsecured devices being used to send spam, and VPS blocks have the same problem. You can get around this by using a mail relay, or building your domains reputation on a server that already has a good reputation.

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teeray ◴[25 Mar 25 14:05 UTC] No.43471494[source]▶
> or an email server on a VPS, or an email server on a residential IP

So what options are left for a self-hoster. Colo?

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1. toast0 ◴[25 Mar 25 14:37 UTC] No.43471884[source]▶
Find a host that cares about their reputation. It can be hard to know who responds to abuse reports, but if they mention it in their TOS that's a positive. Also, many hosts block outbound port 25 by default now; that's a positive sign as well.

The more effort you have to put in to use them to send mail, the more likely spammers don't use them, and the more likely their ip space has a positive or at least non-negative reputation for sending mail.