←back to thread

71 points seanobannon | 2 comments | | HN request time: 0.407s | source
1. throw9494999 ◴[] No.43463261[source]
In EU renewable are not competitive without strong regulations and subsidies. Distributors are forced to buy renewable at 5x the cost, and keep gas power plants at hot standby in case wind stops, or cloud comes.

At the same time, long term investments into fossil fuels and atomic energy are forbidden!

Saying "deregulated" energy markets drive solar, is another level of evil. It is logic that drove dependency on Russian natural gas!

replies(1): >>43464175 #
2. Calwestjobs ◴[] No.43464175[source]
well i understand what you want to say and yes you are correct.

but people seem to fall in trap of not thinking about user/customer.

if pv is so cheap that it can pay itself in 6-7 years, by customer lowering his draw from grid drastically most of the time, whole energy transition will not be so painful for other participants of market. wast majority of thinking is going to energy providers, not a lot of thinking is going to changing customers habits ( of which most energy intense can be automated and either spread out or concentrated towards time when energy is cheap - you know sun will be shining tomorrow or day after, renewables are not as unpredictable)

customers and provider can cooperate.

and so " In EU renewable are not competitive.." for whom? for energy providers ? Or for customer which can easily and cheaply lower his energy draw from grid by 70% most of year by installing solar pv hot water heater + heatpumpin for 7 months of cooling his house from pv? even before installing batteries? (just electric hot water heater)