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Swoerd123[dead post] ◴[] No.43411056[source]
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blindriver ◴[] No.43411312[source]
Trump won because he took all the liberal policies that the Democrats abandoned for more extreme values and made them his core values. This is why he had the most diverse set of voters in the history of the Republican Party, because many were ex-Democrats.
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otikik ◴[] No.43411824[source]
It's the other way around. Since Clinton the Democrat party has become more and more republican-like. Now they are economically the same, and the only differences left are social signals. Both parties favor corporations and profit over people.

Trump has wielded the (understandable) disgust that people had with that system, pointed at the Democrats and made them the enemy. And then is lowering taxes for rich guys and cutting benefits for millions.

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blindriver ◴[] No.43411884[source]
Wrong. Since when were Republicans anti-war and anti-free trade? Those are big issues for working class that helped him win the swing states.
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otikik ◴[] No.43412262{3}[source]
> Since when were Republicans anti-war

Trump has been anti-war (with Putin, specifically) since his first term.

The Democratic party has never been anti-free trade either.

Nevertheless, what helped him win working class votes was discontent with the economy situation. Which is now going to get even worse. For the working class of course.

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blindriver ◴[] No.43412643{4}[source]
>Trump has been anti-war (with Putin, specifically) since his first term.

Yes, that's my point.

> The Democratic party has never been anti-free trade either.

They absolutely were anti-free trade and protectionist during the 1970s and 1980s. For example, they were the ones who were leading efforts against Japanese cars in the US that decimated Detroit during that time.

Clinton and more importantly Obama changed this shift, including the TPP that would have opened up more free trade with Pacific nations. Trump ripped that up as soon as he came into office because that was very unpopular with the working class.

> Nevertheless, what helped him win working class votes was discontent with the economy situation

According to Biden, the US economy was the best its every been when he left office and the lowest unemployment and the stock market was at its highest. What economic situation are you talking about?

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otikik ◴[] No.43412881{5}[source]
> during the 1970s and 1980s

If we go back long enough, the democratic party opposed Abraham Lincoln. We have to put a line somewhere.

> According to Biden

To be clear, I'm not a US citizen. If you think telling me that Biden lied is a shocker, you are wrong. I do think that in general he lies less than Trump, though.

But to answer the spirit of your not-in-very-good-faith question: GDP means nothing if all the wealth is concentrated in 10 individuals. Unemployment means nothing if most folks need to take 3 jobs and food stamps just to make ends meet.

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1. blindriver ◴[] No.43413576{6}[source]
I'm putting a line at the 1970s and 1980s and then explained how things changed immediately after that and that's when they started abandoning the working class.

> If you think telling me that Biden lied is a shocker, you are wrong.

I'm not saying you should be shocked. I'm giving strong evidence that your assertion that the economy was bad is wrong. What is your proof that the economy was bad?

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2. otikik ◴[] No.43415637[source]
Why repeat what I already said?
3. ethbr1 ◴[] No.43424743[source]
The Republican party also finally turned away from racism as an explicit election strategy circa 2010, which probably helped it with non-white working class voters.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy

Unfortunately, immigrants and other things were substituted in as enemies to hate.