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fuzztail ◴[] No.43363226[source]
I've seen recent examples of the government targeting green card holders for their speech. As a naturalized citizen who wants to exercise my free speech rights, how concerned should I be about potentially having my citizenship challenged on technical grounds? Are there realistic scenarios where this could happen despite First Amendment protections?
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yes_really[dead post] ◴[] No.43368434[source]
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ixtli ◴[] No.43368577[source]
Zionist and other far right twitter accounts being bandied about as an argument for the detention of someone exercising free speech rights.
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1. yes_really ◴[] No.43368589[source]
LOL, how the hell are these accounts "far right"? And how do the accounts invalidate the video evidence and screenshots published on the posts?
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2. brendoelfrendo ◴[] No.43368980[source]
One of them is Andy Ngo, and you're asking how they're "far right?"
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3. yes_really ◴[] No.43369160[source]
The comment said "Zionists and other far right twitter accounts", which means at least 2 of the accounts are "far right". Can you explain how https://x.com/canarymission and https://x.com/CampusJewHate are "far right"?

Those accounts document hatred against Jewish people in Columbia and other universities. How on Earth are these accounts "far right"? Can you link to at least one post from either of those accounts that you would characterize as "far right"?

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4. aprilthird2021 ◴[] No.43370271{3}[source]
Because supporting Palestine isn't hating Jews and posting people mugshot style on a website as anti-Semites because they support the Palestinian people right to have a nation and to return to the homes they were kicked out of is far-right. The same way wanting the Ukrainians to be able to go back to Crimea and other Russian-annexed lands is not hatred of Russians. And if a website posted mugshot style bios of Ukraine-supporters in such a way, we'd all know they are far right.
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5. lazyasciiart ◴[] No.43370340{3}[source]
How about this one that says Dick Durban is supporting Hamas because he has advocated for the release of Mahmoud Khalil? Along with all the celebration of DHS arrests on campus and advocating to deport more students, calling Khalil and campus protests terrorism, and proclaiming that support for Palestine is a mastermind plot by Iran to destroy America? I could also accept a description as “extremists out in their own far-crazy that just happen to have identified the left as the enemy and the right as their friend”, but it’s gonna get shortened to “far-right”.

https://x.com/canarymission/status/1899487784454508681

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6. yes_really ◴[] No.43370670{4}[source]
> Because supporting Palestine isn't hating Jews

Did you fail to read any of my comments or are you just pretending? Khalil gave a speech openly defending the "armed resistance" of Hamas [1].

[1] https://x.com/canarymission/status/1900204678240928166

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7. yes_really ◴[] No.43370718{4}[source]
> How about this one that says Dick Durban is supporting Hamas because he has advocated for the release of Mahmoud Khalil?

You made a false statement of fact. The tweet never said that. It reads [1]:

> 1/ Canary Mission is apolitical. We call out antisemitism on all sides and have never had a vested interest in a political party. However, Senator Dick Durbin is testing our principles like never before. His defense of Mahmoud Khalil, a pro-Hamas activist, raises serious moral and ethical concerns. It is troubling that one of our great parties is standing behind a Hamas supporter - a group recognized as a terrorist organization—the same group that perpetrated the massacre of October 7, which included the murder, rape and kidnapping of innocent civilians.

It clearly says that Khalil is a Hamas supporter, not Dick Durban. There's video of Khalil giving a speech defending Hamas' "armed resistance" [2]. Was this a lack of basic reading comprehension or was that a deliberate lie?

[1] https://x.com/canarymission/status/1899487784454508681

[2] https://x.com/canarymission/status/1900204678240928166

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8. aprilthird2021 ◴[] No.43371679{5}[source]
He didn't mention Hamas, or Jews. And what he said is not anything anti-Semitic either. It's also true. Under international law an invasion and occupation of one's land is a justified reason to launch an armed resistance. Like Ukraine did.

You may have wanted him to say, in that clip, "10/7 was justified" but he did not. He is simply saying that any type of amassing of arms will be seen by Israel as terrorism when they have a right to defend themselves. Do you think Palestine has no right to defend itself from Israel?

9. aprilthird2021 ◴[] No.43371767{5}[source]
He doesn't mention Hamas, and there's no proof available that the man is a pro-Hamas activist. He has never self-claimed any such thing either.

Also, Durbin is not defending his views. They are defending his right to not be disappeared to another state in ICE custody without being charged with any crimes. All of that cannot be labeled anti-Semitism. By this logic, the ACLU was anti-Semitic for its defense of civil liberties in the Skokie case

10. ixtli ◴[] No.43378224[source]
These sorts of people are never honest.