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I'll be here for the next 6 hours. As usual, there are countless possible topics and I'll be guided by whatever you're concerned with but as much as possible I'd like to focus on the recent changes and potential changes in U.S. immigration law, policy, and practice. Please remember that I am limited in providing legal advice on specific cases for obvious liability reasons because I won't have access to all the facts. Please stick to a factual discussion in your questions and comments and I'll try to do the same in my responses. Thank you!
1. nothrowaways ◴[] No.43364910[source]
What citizenship will a naturalized citizen get if they lose their citizenship and where will they go?
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2. mandeepj ◴[] No.43365014[source]
Country of birth, if not a dual citizen
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3. cyberax ◴[] No.43365397[source]
Any other remaining citizenship. If they had to renounce it as a part of becoming a US citizen (e.g. India requires it), they become a stateless person.
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4. ceejayoz ◴[] No.43365459[source]
Not necessarily. People can and do get left stateless (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Kateb_v_Godwin involves someone born in Kuwait but not a citizen); countries can and do reject deportations even of their own citizens (https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/31/world/trumps-deportations...).
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5. nothrowaways ◴[] No.43366281[source]
Stateless? Sounds new information
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6. mandeepj ◴[] No.43366570{3}[source]
Nope! Citizenship is a basic human right. No one can be deprived of it. Middle Eastern countries have strict laws regarding citizenship; in that case, the person would have the citizenship of their parents. If one can prove legally their citizenship, that country is bound to take them back if deported.

#4 -> https://www.mea.gov.in/Speeches-Statements.htm?dtl/38990/Sta...

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7. ceejayoz ◴[] No.43366653{4}[source]
> Citizenship is a basic human right. No one can be deprived of it.

That's great and all, but the problem still exists. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statelessness

> Middle Eastern countries have strict laws regarding citizenship; in that case, the person would have the citizenship of their parents.

Well, when Palestine gets international recognition as a sovereign state, that'll solve the problem. Until then, he's stateless.

"Kuwait's Nationality Law is based on the citizenship of the parents, jus sanguinis, (Article 2) and does not provide for citizenship based on place of birth, jus soli, except in the case of foundlings (Article 3). For this reason Al-Kateb did not acquire Kuwaiti citizenship at birth, and was thus considered a stateless person. Al-Kateb left his country of birth after Kuwaiti authorities pressured nearly 200,000 Palestinians to leave Kuwait. In December 2000, Al-Kateb, travelling by boat, arrived in Australia without a visa or passport, and was taken into immigration detention under the provisions of the Migration Act 1958."

8. outworlder ◴[] No.43366833{4}[source]
> Nope! Citizenship is a basic human right. No one can be deprived of it.

Unfortunately not true. Yes, it's a human right. Yes, there's all sorts of international agreements trying to prevent it (because it's a real mess that nobody wants to deal with), but it still happens.

This is more likely for countries that force one to renounce their birth citizenship. Not all those regimes want to take them back even if the option is statelessness.

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9. cyberax ◴[] No.43368503{3}[source]
Yep. The US is not a signatory to the UN Conventions on Statelessness: the https://www.unhcr.org/us/what-we-do/protect-human-rights/end...

A US citizen can also just renounce their citizenship, and the US won't care if they have another citizenship.

Other countries are more restrictive. For example, Russia (a signatory of that convention) requires people to prove that they have another citizenship ready before they allow the renunciation to proceed.

10. int_19h ◴[] No.43370437{5}[source]
Also FWIW, United States is not a signatory to the Convention on the Reduction of Statelessness, so it's not a "contracting state".