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Aurornis ◴[] No.43209537[source]
Important to note that the serotonin theory of depression doesn't have to be strictly true for SSRIs to be effective. People who having passing familiarity with neuroscience often assume that psychiatric medications work by correcting deficiencies, but this isn't true. It's also not accurate to say that SSRIs "give you more serotonin" or any of the other variations on that theme.

Neurotransmitters aren't simple levels in the brain that go up and down, despite how much podcasters and fitness influencers talk about them like that. Neurotransmitter dynamics are complex and the long-term adaptations after taking medications like an SSRI can't be simply described in terms of "levels" going up and down. There are changes in frequency, duration, and movement of Serotonin across synapses that are much more complex. There are also adaptations to the receptors, including auto-receptors which modulate release of neurotransmitters (side note: some newer antidepressants also directly target those autoreceptors with possibly slight improvements in side effect profile).

So keep that in mind when reading anything about the serotonin theory of depression. This is often brought up as a strawman argument to attack SSRIs, but we've known for decades that the serotonin theory of depression never fully explained the situation. We've also known that some conditions like anxiety disorders are associated with increased serotonin activity in parts of the brain, which SSRIs can normalize.

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1. TZubiri ◴[] No.43209868[source]
It sounds like a very naïve explanation of depression. I'm cynical enough to believe that's why it's popular:

"You are sad because you are missing happy chemicals"

Reality is more complex, hitchen's razor tells us we don't need to spend more time down that road.

That said, I'm open to the idea that ssri's (while certainly tangential to the theory) are more complex. If only because they may be prescribed early on either due to a physician desire for a simple theory or due to the patient's desire for it. But once you have gone down that road you can't change course easily.

I believe whatever issue existed prior to SSRI onset becomes secondary (whether for better or worse) to the symptomps caused by SSRIs themselves, the patient becomes fungible and the disease a categorizable syndrome with clear treatment and support systems (and low suicide rates, which is usually the concern of family).

On that note, the medication is not only taken for the patient, but some properties are designed/selected for the physician (low suicide/malpractice rates) and family (less outwardly symptons). In this way it's a milder version of lobotomies to my judgement.

End rant

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2. amanaplanacanal ◴[] No.43213190[source]
Seems like less suicide would be better for the patient too.
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