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anotherpaulg ◴[] No.43164684[source]
Claude 3.7 Sonnet scored 60.4% on the aider polyglot leaderboard [0], WITHOUT USING THINKING.

Tied for 3rd place with o3-mini-high. Sonnet 3.7 has the highest non-thinking score, taking that title from Sonnet 3.5.

Aider 0.75.0 is out with support for 3.7 Sonnet [1].

Thinking support and thinking benchmark results coming soon.

[0] https://aider.chat/docs/leaderboards/

[1] https://aider.chat/HISTORY.html#aider-v0750

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anotherpaulg ◴[] No.43166754[source]
Using up to 32k thinking tokens, Sonnet 3.7 set SOTA with a 64.9% score.

  65% Sonnet 3.7, 32k thinking
  64% R1+Sonnet 3.5
  62% o1 high
  60% Sonnet 3.7, no thinking
  60% o3-mini high
  57% R1
  52% Sonnet 3.5
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mikae1 ◴[] No.43168852[source]
It's clear that progress is incremental at this point. At the same time Anthropic and OpenAI are bleeding money.

It's unclear to me how they'll shift to making money while providing almost no enhanced value.

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khafra ◴[] No.43168989[source]
Yudkowsky just mentioned that even if LLM progress stopped right here, right now, there are enough fundamental economic changes to provide us a really weird decade. Even with no moat, if the labs are in any way placed to capture a little of the value they've created, they could make high multiples of their investors' money.
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dragonwriter ◴[] No.43170002{3}[source]
With no moat, they aren't placed to capture much value; moats are what stops market competition from driving prices to the zero economic profit level, and that's even without further competition from free products that are being produced by people who aren’t even trying to support themselves in the market you are selling into, which can make even the zero economic profit price untenable.
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TeMPOraL ◴[] No.43171172{4}[source]
Market competition doesn't work in an instant; even without a moat, there's plenty of money they can capture before it evaporates.

Think pouring water from the faucet into a sink with open drain - if you have high enough flow rate, you can fill the sink faster than it drains. Then, when you turn the faucet off, as the sink is draining, you can still collect plenty of water from it with a cup or a bucket, before the sink fully drains.

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1. dragonwriter ◴[] No.43172946{5}[source]
> Market competition doesn't work in an instant; even without a moat, there's plenty of money they can capture before it evaporates.

Sure, in a hypothetical market where before they try to extract profits most participants aren't losing money with below-profitable prices trying to keep mindshare. But you’d need a breakthrough around which a participant had some kind lf a moat to get, even temporarily, there in the LLM market.