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    Claude 3.7 Sonnet and Claude Code

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    2127 points bakugo | 24 comments | 24 Feb 25 18:28 UTC | HN request time: 1.253s | source | bottom
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    TriangleEdge ◴[24 Feb 25 19:05 UTC] No.43163502[source]▶
    This AI race is happening so fast. Seems like it to me anyway. As a software developer/engineer I am worried about my job prospects.. time will tell. I am wondering what will happen to the west coast housing bubbles once software engineers lose their high price tags. I guess the next wave of knowledge workers will move in and take their place?
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    1. gchokov ◴[24 Feb 25 19:09 UTC] No.43163551[source]▶
    This is BS and you are not listening and watching carefully.
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    2. Trasmatta ◴[24 Feb 25 19:10 UTC] No.43163580[source]▶
    > Its not AI

    AI is a very broad term with many different definitions.

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    3. eschluntz ◴[24 Feb 25 19:11 UTC] No.43163595[source]▶
    Even when I feel this, 90% of any novel thing I'm doing is still old gruntwork, and Claude lets me speed through that and focus all my attention on the interesting 10% (disclaimer: I'm at Anthropic)
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    4. dingnuts ◴[24 Feb 25 19:12 UTC] No.43163600[source]▶
    OK then show me a model that can answer honestly and correctly about whether or not it knows something.
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    5. martin-t ◴[24 Feb 25 19:12 UTC] No.43163606[source]▶
    Build on top of stolen code, no less. HN hates to hear it but LLMs are a huge step back for software freedom because as long as they call it "AI" and as long as politicians don't understand it, it allows companies to launder GPL code and reuse it without credit and without giving users their rights.
    6. dingnuts ◴[24 Feb 25 19:12 UTC] No.43163610[source]▶
    it does seem disingenuous for something without intelligence to be called intelligence
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    7. croes ◴[24 Feb 25 19:13 UTC] No.43163624[source]▶
    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43155825
    8. lukaslalinsky ◴[24 Feb 25 19:15 UTC] No.43163648[source]▶
    Even the best LLMs today are just junior devs with a lot of knowledge. They make a lot of the same mistakes junior devs would do. Even the responses, when you point out those mistakes, are the same.

    If anything, it's a tool for junior devs to get better and spend more time on the architecture.

    Using AI code without fully understanding it (ie operated by a non-programmer) is just recipe for disaster.

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    9. vasco ◴[24 Feb 25 19:16 UTC] No.43163663[source]▶
    How many novel things does a developer do at work as a percentage of their time?
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    10. GaggiX ◴[24 Feb 25 19:18 UTC] No.43163690[source]▶
    >There is no intelligence here and Claude 3.7 cannot create anything novel.

    I wouldn't be surprised if people would continue to deny the actual intelligence of these models even in a scenario where they were able to solve the Riemann hypothesis.

    "Every time we figure out a piece of it, it stops being magical; we say, 'Oh, that's just a computation.'" - cit

    11. Trasmatta ◴[24 Feb 25 19:18 UTC] No.43163696{3}[source]▶
    I feel like you're nitpicking. Intelligence is ALSO a broad term with no singular consensus on what it means or what it is.
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    13. TriangleEdge ◴[24 Feb 25 19:30 UTC] No.43163837[source]▶
    Do you think the "deep research" feature that some AI companies have will ever apply to software? For example, I had to update Spring in a Java codebase recently. AI was only able to help mildly to figure out why I was seeing some errors, but that's it.
    14. sekai ◴[24 Feb 25 19:31 UTC] No.43163848[source]▶
    > Its not AI. It is enhanced autocomplete. There is no intelligence here and Claude 3.7 cannot create anything novel. We as an industry need to get more honest about these things.

    Yeah, this sort of "AI" is still nothing more than a glorified “Chinese room” (https://www.wikiwand.com/en/articles/Chinese_room).

    To illustrate:

    https://x.com/yoltartar/status/1861812132209369420

    15. codingwagie ◴[24 Feb 25 19:52 UTC] No.43164109[source]▶
    This is pure cope
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    16. trgaf ◴[24 Feb 25 19:55 UTC] No.43164152[source]▶
    One can also steal directly from GitHub and strip the license to avoid this grunt work. LLMs automate the stealing.
    17. danielbln ◴[24 Feb 25 19:55 UTC] No.43164154{3}[source]▶
    What's your definition of intelligence?
    18. medvezhenok ◴[24 Feb 25 20:02 UTC] No.43164241{3}[source]▶
    Show me a human that can answer honestly and correctly about whether they know something.
    19. nprateem ◴[24 Feb 25 20:03 UTC] No.43164264{3}[source]▶
    The worst is when you tell it it's made a mistake and it agrees.

    "You're right, but I just like wasting your time"

    20. eterm ◴[24 Feb 25 20:18 UTC] No.43164446[source]▶
    The threat is not autocomplete, it's translation.

    "translating" requirements into code is what most developers' jobs are.

    So "just" translation is a threat to job security of developers.

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    22. riku_iki ◴[24 Feb 25 20:29 UTC] No.43164571[source]▶
    that's because stacks/apis/ecosystems are super complicated and require lots of reading/searching to figure out how make things happen. Now this time will be reduced dramatically and devs time will shift on more novel things.
    23. ilrwbwrkhv ◴[24 Feb 25 23:54 UTC] No.43166375[source]▶
    AI cannot write a simple dockerfile. I don't know how simple stuff you guys are writing. If ai can do it then it should be an excel sheet and not code.
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    24. simonw ◴[25 Feb 25 00:42 UTC] No.43166726{3}[source]▶
    I've been writing Dockerfiles with LLMs for over a year now - all of the top tier LLMs do a great job of those in my experience.