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When imperfect systems are good: Bluesky's lossy timelines

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768 points cyndunlop | 5 comments | 19 Feb 25 17:48 UTC | HN request time: 0s | source
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dang ◴[19 Feb 25 18:14 UTC] No.43105332[source]▶
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amazingamazing ◴[19 Feb 25 18:09 UTC] No.43105271[source]▶
I don’t understand the infatuation with blue sky. The minute they need money it’ll go the way of the Reddit and twitter.
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VectorLock ◴[19 Feb 25 18:13 UTC] No.43105326[source]▶
People seem to lark on and on about how it has better "default moderation" than Mastodon.
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verdverm ◴[19 Feb 25 18:19 UTC] No.43105407[source]▶
It's not that it is "better" but that the choice is individual, not up to the mastodon server. In Mastodon, you trade Elon for some other group of individuals, so what happens if they make decision on moderation or content you do not agree with?

ATProto is designed around accounts that are independent of data host, application, and moderation, all in the name of giving users individual control over these things. It's like if every Mastodon user ran their own server, but without the overhead

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immibis ◴[19 Feb 25 19:34 UTC] No.43106437[source]▶
You have the opportunity to demonstrate this. I am banned from Bluesky. (They didn't tell me why - just a generic "you violated community guidelines")

Tell me, concretely, how people can choose to continue following me, even though I am banned.

Profile: immibis.bsky.social

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1. verdverm ◴[19 Feb 25 20:29 UTC] No.43107211[source]▶
Create an account you own instead of having someone else run it. Maybe you can get your data, maybe you can ask Bluesky for a review (there were bugs and scaling issues against bot networks that cause false positives)

I'm not seeing that handle resolve in the normal places. Do you have the DID? You should use a custom domain so that you can control the the reference and lookup.

You can run your own PDS and manage complete account lifecycle

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2. immibis ◴[19 Feb 25 21:19 UTC] No.43107830[source]▶
So after you're banned from Bluesky you create another account on a different server and hope the admins of your original server, which still hosts all the people you want to follow, don't block your new account from interacting with their server?

You said it was different from Mastodon, but how is this different from Mastodon?

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3. verdverm ◴[20 Feb 25 02:17 UTC] No.43110305[source]▶
I have my own domain already attached, I can point it at any server and my identity on the network remains the same.

When you use a *.bsky.social handle, you have not made yourself independent and resilient to arbitrary decision by the org that manages that service

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4. immibis ◴[20 Feb 25 12:31 UTC] No.43113930{3}[source]▶
So that's the same as on Mastodon. What's the difference again?
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5. fc417fc802 ◴[20 Feb 25 16:52 UTC] No.43117051{4}[source]▶
To be fair, with ActivityPub your account is always tied to a given server.

However as you have rightly noticed, the person you are responding to here is being disingenuous. Controlling the account doesn't fix the fundamental issue caused by network effects. An account that can't interact with a large portion of the network is no different than Mastoson in practice.

The Mastodon equivalent would be running your own single user instance which gets defederated by one of the big players.