←back to thread

757 points headalgorithm | 2 comments | | HN request time: 0.001s | source
Show context
Glyptodon ◴[] No.42954673[source]
I don't have outrage fatigue. Outrages are outrages and they are what they are. Are there many exaggerations and fake outrages? Sure. But things like the USA's current constitutional crisis are real.

What I struggle with isn't fatigue at outrage, it's knowing what to do about it.

I think violence is going to become more common, but I don't particularly think it will be effective.

So less so than outrage, it's the feeling that we're trapped in a real life doom loop with no clear off ramp that I struggle with.

I would like to do something... But what?

replies(15): >>42954687 #>>42954826 #>>42954835 #>>42954975 #>>42956545 #>>42956552 #>>42956582 #>>42957013 #>>42957246 #>>42957729 #>>42959474 #>>42960108 #>>42960375 #>>42961367 #>>42964209 #
basisword ◴[] No.42961367[source]
>> But things like the USA's current constitutional crisis are real.

While I have no doubt this is true, is it _actually_ having any impact on your day to day life? If you didn't have social media, didn't read the news, and somehow didn't even know there was an election (I know this one isn't possible) would your day to day life have changed at all? Look at the past week as an example. Threats of tariffs, headline news, retaliation, and then backing down before anything happened bringing us largely back to where we started.

Don't get me wrong, there are people directly affected by these things and I'm not going to get into whether the approach above is ethical or not. But for most people, I believe you could genuinely switch off and not notice any difference at all.

And even if you know and are well read on the issues (as it sounds like you may be) - what can you do about it? In fact - have you done anything about it? If the answer is no then what's the point in being informed?

replies(3): >>42963756 #>>42966263 #>>42970049 #
righthand ◴[] No.42963756[source]
This is wrong, Trump and his policies does affect everyone’s day to day life. It may not be immediately visible effect but that is why he lost the 2nd time he tried to run. This fallacy didn’t cause people to vote for Trump in this current election, it caused them to not vote. Not voting is a direct negative effect on your life because you’ve chosen to give up on understanding the consequences. We are basically on track to repeat the last time he was in office because people have chosen to believe the fallacy out of fatigue. The exact fatigue we are talking about right now.

The common thread with Trump is to blame other people for your unhappiness whether an issue affects you daily or not. Then tie that unrelated unhappiness to these issues. That causes fatigue and effects your daily life trying to work through an unsolvable problem (from the individual perspective). For example my father is farmer in a 2 man farming operation. He never spends any time around or near immigrants, not even remotely close, but he has been blaming the immigrants for his unhappiness. If you ask him why it’s because there is this “crisis” with ominous consequences that no one can define.

replies(2): >>42964701 #>>42965519 #
1. basisword ◴[] No.42965519[source]
>> Trump and his policies does affect everyone’s day to day life

Of course, to an extent. But for the vast majority of people they aren't going to have a direct and horrible impact. Take some of the most objectionable things so far - the kind that might upset you if you read about them (treatment of immigrants, plans to 'take over' Greenland/Panama/Palastine, pardoning the Jan 6 criminals, DOGE, etc). These are all very upsetting for many people and understandably so. But they probably don't actually affect you. If they upset you there's very little you can actually do until the next round of elections. Better to switch off and save your own mental health in the meantime and vote when the time comes.

Take your father for example. Would it not be much better for him (and you) if he didn't follow the news/social media, checked out both parties policies at election time, voted and then switched off again?

replies(1): >>42975697 #
2. righthand ◴[] No.42975697[source]
I think the closing of social programs is upsetting but not necessarily impactful to the wider populace because the admin can be sued for abusing federal funds and the programs easily reinstated.

That’s not the only changes that are happening however, there is pressure to normalize criminal activity to ensure the wealthy aren’t held accountable. This is immediately impactful because for every person Trump pardons or protects it enables the same behavior on the Democrat side. The “well Democrats will never do something like Trump” is also a fallacy. That behavior does immediately impact everyone.

So no I don’t wish my father to tune out the world in between elections. I want my father to tune out the hysterics, but he is one of the hysterics. People should be actively informed and ready to act. The hysteria is what happens when people ignore the world for short term capital gain.