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873 points belter | 1 comments | 05 Feb 25 09:50 UTC | HN request time: 0.202s | source
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imjonse ◴[05 Feb 25 12:12 UTC] No.42947407[source]▶
> ORMs are the devil in all languages and all implementations. Just write the damn SQL

It depends on what you're writing. I've seen enough projects writing raw SQL because of aversion to ORMs being bogged down in reinventing a lot of what ORMs offer. Like with other choices it is too often a premature optimization (for perf or DX) and a sign of prioritizing a sense of craftsmanship at the expense of the deliverables and the sanity of other team members.

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qaq ◴[05 Feb 25 12:47 UTC] No.42947752[source]▶
It's not so much optimization but experience that on any sufficiently large project you gonna run into ORM limitation and end up with mix of ORM and direct queries. So might as well...
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The_Colonel ◴[05 Feb 25 13:35 UTC] No.42948245[source]▶
Starting with raw SQL is fun. But at some point you find out you need some caching here, then there, then you have a bunch of custom disconnected caches having bugs with invalidation. Then you need lazy loading and fetch graphs. Step by step you'll build your own (shitty) ORM.

Same thing for people claiming they don't need any frameworks.

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1. gilbetron ◴[05 Feb 25 19:00 UTC] No.42953407[source]▶
There are plenty of libraries/packages for SQL that do all of that for you, too. The choice isn't between a sophisticated ORM and just throwing SQL text at a socket. The fundamental assumption of ORMs is broken, but much of the tooling works well and exists in non-ORM places.