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bloomingkales ◴[] No.42949274[source]
This thing that people are calling “reasoning” is more like rendering to me really, or multi pass rendering. We’re just refining the render, there’s no reasoning involved.
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mistermann ◴[] No.42949404[source]
"...there’s no reasoning involved...wait, could I just be succumbing to my heuristic intuitions of what is (seems to be) true....let's reconsider using System 2 thinking..."
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bloomingkales ◴[] No.42949765[source]
Or there is no objective reality (well there isn’t, check out the study), and reality is just a rendering of the few state variables that keep track of your simple life.

A little context about you:

- person

- has hands, reads HN

These few state variables are enough to generate a believable enough frame in your rendering.

If the rendering doesn’t look believable to you, you modify state variables to make the render more believable, eg:

Context:

- person

- with hands

- incredulous demeanor

- reading HN

Now I can render you more accurately based on your “reasoning”, but truly I never needed all that data to see you.

Reasoning as we know it could just be a mechanism to fill in gaps in obviously sparse data (we absolutely do not have all the data to render reality accurately, you are seeing an illusion). Go reason about it all you want.

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1. mistermann ◴[] No.42949844[source]
Is this a clever rhetorical trick to make it appear that your prior claim was correct?

If not: what am I intended to take away from this? What is its relevance to my comment?

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2. bloomingkales ◴[] No.42950161[source]
You made a joke about questioning reality, I simply entertained it. You can do whatever you want with it, wasn’t a slight at all.
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3. mistermann ◴[] No.42954481[source]
It may have been in the form of a joke, but I certainly wasn't joking.

I think it is interesting what actions cannot be done by humans.

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4. bloomingkales ◴[] No.42958022{3}[source]
I wasn’t joking either. Things are just getting started with this AI stuff, and I feel like programmers will experience that “de ja vu” phenomenon that they talk about in the Matrix, that eerie feeling something isn’t right.

Look, why have game developers spent so much time lazy loading parts of the game world? Very rarely do they just load the whole world, even in 2025. See, the worlds get bigger, so even as the tech gets better, we will always lazy load worlds in.

It’s a context issue right? Developers have just recently been given this thing called “context”.

But yeah man, why do we think just because we walked from our house to the supermarket that this reality didn’t lazy load things. That’s how programmers have been doing it all along …

Anyways

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5. mistermann ◴[] No.42963051{4}[source]
A more parsimonious explanation: consciousness is generative, like an LLM. And, according to cultural conditioning, this generated scenario is referred to as reality.

I like this version for at least two reasons:

1. It is 100% compliant with large quantities of scientific findings (psychology and neuroscience), whreas I believe yours has a conservation of mass problem at least

2. Everyone dislikes it at least in certain scenarios (say, when reference is made to it during an object level disagreement)