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651 points openchampagne | 2 comments | 04 Feb 25 16:21 UTC | HN request time: 0.848s | source
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lordofgibbons ◴[04 Feb 25 22:24 UTC] No.42939855[source]▶
I really hope this fails.

Apple will use it's dominant position to create lock in like how they did with iMessage instead of cooperating with other platforms on a common standard.

Oder friends and family are surprised when they want to video call over Facetime and find it hard to believe other people's phones don't have Apple apps.

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yumraj ◴[04 Feb 25 23:05 UTC] No.42940471[source]▶
But isn’t that the same when people and schools create effing Facebook groups and events or whatever they are called and find it hard to believe that people don’t use that crap. Or create WhatsApp groups and communities and so on and on.
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chippiewill ◴[04 Feb 25 23:07 UTC] No.42940495[source]▶
Yes, but at least those don't have hardware lock-in.
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Hackbraten ◴[04 Feb 25 23:20 UTC] No.42940671[source]▶
WhatsApp absolutely has hardware lock-in. You need to be an Apple or Google customer to use it, and you need at least one Android or iOS phone.
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sfRattan ◴[04 Feb 25 23:45 UTC] No.42941018[source]▶
Is it possible to install WhatsApp on one of the three major 3rd-party AOSP-based operating systems (distros): Graphene OS, Calyx OS, or Lineage OS?

Each one has varying models for replacing functionality of the Google Play Services, and IIRC the Aurora store [1] allows for installation of apps from Google Play without a Google account.

It's not a combination of steps that would be accessible to the average user, but I think it should be possible to use WhatsApp without being an Apple or Google customer (nominally a customer of Google hardware---Pixel phones---if using Graphene or Calyx, and ultimately a customer of Meta/Facebook for WhatsApp itself).

[1]: https://aurorastore.org/

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notpushkin ◴[05 Feb 25 06:08 UTC] No.42944508[source]▶
It is. Works great without Google services (maybe pushes don’t work though, I can’t remember), or with microG.

> It's not a combination of steps that would be accessible to the average user

Tangential, but I’m thinking about starting a degoogled phone shop. Not sure if it’s a good business idea, but I think there is at least some demand there.

EDIT: aurorastore[.]org you link to is not the official site by the way. I’d not trust the APKs you get there. The official is https://auroraoss.com/ (and the downloads on F-Droid should be legit, too).

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1. pbmonster ◴[05 Feb 25 09:00 UTC] No.42945891[source]▶
> Tangential, but I’m thinking about starting a degoogled phone shop. Not sure if it’s a good business idea, but I think there is at least some demand there.

Sounds like an incredible amount of pain for very little gain.

* Even in my bubble (CS nerds, Linux only, FOSS developers, ect.), only around 20% run custom ROMs on their phones. The demand is tiny.

* Even the very best UX ROMs (GrapheneOS on a modern Pixel, with full Google Services re-installed in a sandbox) will drive normies crazy. Google Lens and Android Auto are non-trivial to get running. Google Pay/Wallet is straight up impossible. And again, this is on a re-googled de-googled phone. Can't imagine how bad it's with a truely de-googled phone.

* If you go back into the walled garden defeated, you lose almost everything you did outside it. The few things you don't lose, you will have to work hard for.

The few customers you would get would create a high number of support requests, and be very unhappy with whatever you could do for them. Everybody not needing your support already runs LinageOS/GrapheneOS successfully on their own.

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2. notpushkin ◴[05 Feb 25 12:42 UTC] No.42947683[source]▶
Yeah, probably not really worth it.

> Google Pay/Wallet is straight up impossible

FWIW, microG seems to have fixed Play Integrity (again), so Google Pay is not out of the question now. (It’s still very painful though, even on LineageOS with Google services without a sandbox I can’t get it working – though it seems that my device was flagged specifically, and in theory it should work with some hacks.)

And I think Google Lens should work out of the box :thinking: