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portaouflop ◴[] No.42926658[source]
IMF gave them 1.4 billion to abandon the “experiment”:

> The IMF made this a condition for a loan of 1.4 billion US dollars (1.35 billion euros). In December of last year, the IMF reached an agreement with President Nayib Bukele’s government on the loan of the stated amount to strengthen the country’s “fiscal sustainability” and mitigate the “risks associated with Bitcoin,” as it was described.

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I dislike cryptocurrencies as much as the next guy but this was clearly something else than a failure of the currency itself

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stephen_g ◴[] No.42926769[source]
Despite that interference, from everything I’ve read though it’s hard to describe the bitcoin experiment as anything else than a massive failure…
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roenxi ◴[] No.42927899[source]
If I could convince someone to give me 1.x billion to change my behaviour, I would consider that behaviour a massive success without much further thought. It isn't a huge amount of money at the scale of a national economy but >$1 billion for nothing is a win.

Although of course it is unknowable how much of that money was bribe and how much El Salvador would have gotten without additional leverage.

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dragonwriter ◴[] No.42928079[source]
> If I could convince someone to give me 1.x billion to change my behaviour

I think you need to refresh your understanding of the difference between a loan and a gift; it wasn't an incentive to change the behavior, it was a loan to deal with the problems caused by the behavior.

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roenxi ◴[] No.42928131[source]
There are loans and there are "loans". This isn't El Salvador issuing bonds on the market, it is politics that comes with political conditions. That means they negotiated it and that means they got something in exchange for any leverage they could find.
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pajko ◴[] No.42928251[source]
The IMF are tough guys, countries do not want to owe them, but usually don't have better options. They don't give "loans" and impose rather strict policies on everything. https://actionaid.org/publications/2023/fifty-years-failure-...
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AnthonyMouse ◴[] No.42928852[source]
The IMF are an arm of the US "diplomatic" apparatus. The charitable interpretation of how they operate looks like this:

  1) A country is doing something the US doesn't like.
  2) The country is in some trouble of their own making.
  3) The IMF will come and bail them out if they would be inclined to start doing the things the US likes instead of the things it doesn't like.
The uncharitable interpretation of "2)" is "the country is doing alright so the US overtly or covertly causes problems for them so they become in trouble".

Basically, the IMF money is the carrot you get for bending the knee. The stick can be the CIA or other things.

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warkdarrior ◴[] No.42928980{3}[source]
So your claim is that US administration through the IMF is forcing El Salvador to drop Bitcoin as a national currency. The same US administration that proposed creating a "national digital asset stockpile"??!? (per https://www.cnbc.com/2025/01/23/trump-signs-executive-order-... )
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1. rvba ◴[] No.42929467{4}[source]
USA's own stockpile talk is to pump Doge and help the oligarchs get richer.

El Salvador's cryptocurrency was helping other people (not sure if actual citizens), so it had to go.