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everdrive ◴[] No.42910717[source]
I'm really happy to see this level of detail and research. So many privacy-related articles either wholly lack in technical skill, or hysterically cannot differentiate between different levels of privacy concerns and risks.

People commonly point to Mozilla's research regarding vehicle's privacy policies. (https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/blog/privacy-nightmare-on-...) But that research only states what the car company's lawyers felt they must include in their privacy policies. These policies imply (and I'm sure, correctly imply) that your conversations will be recorded when you're in the vehicle. But, they never drill down into the real technical details. For instance ..... are car companies recording you the whole time and streaming ALL of your audio from ALL of your driving? Are they just recording you at a random samples? Are they ONLY recording you when you're issuing voice commands, and the lawyers are simply hedging their bets regarding what sort of data _might_ come through accidentally during those instances? Once they record you, where is the data stored, and for how long? Is it sent to 3rd parties, etc? Which of these systems can be disabled, and via what means? Does disabling these systems disable any other functionality of the vehicle, or void its warranty? Lastly, does your insurance shoot up if you have a car without one of these systems? etc ...

The list of questions could go almost indefinitely, and presumably, would vary strongly across manufacturers. So much of the privacy news out there is nothing but scary and often not very substantiated worst case scenarios. Without the details and means to improve privacy, all these stories can do is spread cynicism. I'm really glad to see this level of discourse for the author.

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1. jjeaff ◴[] No.42911047[source]
I'll answer the, "Does disabling it void your warranty?" question. The answer is almost always "no". Unless the modification you make to something actually directly or indirectly caused damage to it, companies in the US cannot "void the warranty".
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2. lesuorac ◴[] No.42911256[source]
I'm sure the company will argue the warranty is voided akin to how trucks have "not liable for damage from rocks" or w/e (they are).

IIRC, this is under the Magnuson-Moss act but I didn't find it when skimming wikipedia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnuson%E2%80%93Moss_Warranty...

3. shakna ◴[] No.42912956[source]
This is usually side-stepped by being a violation of Terms of Service, which is a much lower legal hurdle.

The warranty is intact, but the device is bricked, because it can't bypass any of the authentication that is required to do... Pretty much everything.