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CDC data are disappearing

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749 points doener | 2 comments | 01 Feb 25 11:52 UTC | HN request time: 0.539s | source
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CalRobert ◴[01 Feb 25 13:33 UTC] No.42898165[source]▶
This is part of a broader rolling catastrophe. Musk is evidently seizing control of the Office of Personnel Management

https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2025-01-31/exclus...

Nasa took down their applied sciences page and is evidently scrubbing the data

https://www.reddit.com/r/gis/comments/1icqchv/why_is_the_nas...

(https://appliedsciences.nasa.gov/)

Lots of other data sets are disappearing too:

https://mashable.com/article/government-datasets-disappear-s...

There is active discussion of this at https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/

as well as at https://www.reddit.com/r/fednews/

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pmarreck ◴[01 Feb 25 17:54 UTC] No.42900376[source]▶
I hate to sound like a conventional cis-man, but this is exactly the sort of situation where conventional cis-man energy is needed:

Where are the CDC people growing a spine to stand up to this? This is obviously bad.

The reason why bullies only understand 1 language (force) is exactly why counter-bullies who also speak that language are needed. And these are (usually) men (and some smaller percentage of women). (I'm seriously not trying to genderize this. I'm speaking of "fighting/disobeying/confronting energy" instead of "nurturing/complying/keeping-copacetic energy". Anyone who's good at that, should exercise it.)

If you have to take good science to the darknet, then fucking do so. That's what it's there for.

"The [Dark]Net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it." - John Gilmore.

Alternately, move the data hosting to Switzerland, Iceland, or the Netherlands as a data-haven. Hetzner might be OK too, since very-left-wing Germany (while it has an agreement to comply with legal MLAT requests) might savor the opportunity to snub Trumpian requests or stall them indefinitely due to lack of obvious national-security importance.

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1. IX-103 ◴[02 Feb 25 02:07 UTC] No.42904928[source]▶
Sorry, I couldn't get through your third paragraph without hearing the "Team America: World Police" pussies/dicks speech in the background.

But your argument is inherently flawed. Part of the point of government is to regulate and direct the use of force. We have mechanisms that are supposed to apply force to "bullies". The problem is that the "bullies" have co-opted that system to use it for their own ends. This happened gradually so it didn't become obvious until the most recent "bully" decided he didn't even want to pretend that he wasn't in control.

Individuals who directly stand up to this administration will be hammered down with the full force of the government. The best we can hope for is a passive resistance and malicious compliance. That combined with grassroots efforts to fill the media with protests of objectionable policies is probably the best we can do for now.

The only other option is to apply force outside of the system to correct it, but things are not nearly to the point where revolution is the better option.

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2. pmarreck ◴[04 Feb 25 18:17 UTC] No.42936399[source]▶
> The problem is that the "bullies" have co-opted that system to use it for their own ends. This happened gradually so it didn't become obvious until the most recent "bully" decided he didn't even want to pretend that he wasn't in control.

The funny thing is that people have always said this exact thing except paraphrased in various ways (perhaps the term was less "bully" and something more conventionally a universal term of disparagement like "fascist"). I definitely didn't want Obama going after whistleblowers, increasing domestic surveillance and not closing Guantanamo when I voted him in... and I liked his healthcare plan, until it died...

I suspect that everyone says this when the person they didn't want in charge, now is, and starts doing things that their biased media always depicts only the negative side of.