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tux3 ◴[] No.42899950[source]
The goal for Swift should (and seems) to be to gradually separate itself from XCode, which is holding it back from its ambitions.

XCode has been compared to many things, but at 3.1 stars on the App store, one must find that it is still slightly overrated.

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tempodox ◴[] No.42901466[source]
I feel like Swift is being held hostage by Apple. I can't get get the next version of Swift, because it's being distributed with a higher version of Xcode that only runs on an OS version I don't want to install (yet), and even if I did, I'd first have to buy a new Mac for that. That trick seems to work with enough developers to make Apple ever more rich and powerful and even more arrogant (if that's possible at all), but it doesn't work with me. As much as I appreciate Swift, I will only ever use it on my terms, not on Apple's.
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rescripting ◴[] No.42901685[source]
This isn’t true, you can get the next version of Swift by downloading a pkg installer from https://www.swift.org/install/macos/

You can get it bundled with Xcode as well if you’d like, but it’s not necessary.

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tempodox ◴[] No.42902461[source]
But you cannot run the product on an iDevice and a build for Mac Catalyst isn't even possible. “Bundled with Xcode” is very much necessary.
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1. madeofpalk ◴[] No.42902815{3}[source]
Swift isn't the one being held hostage, it's iOS development.