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CDC data are disappearing

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749 points doener | 4 comments | 01 Feb 25 11:52 UTC | HN request time: 0s | source
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angelgonzales ◴[01 Feb 25 21:24 UTC] No.42902505[source]▶
This is very similar to when the CDC stopped recording defensive gun use statistics! The pendulum is certainly swinging, on the other hand, I think we should retain data even if it doesn’t align with the current administration. I think it’s important that people should record data that they value, independent of governments, so they can maintain a source of truth throughout time. Articles from Axios, NYT and posts on X can change or be deleted, it’s important to take snapshots to go back and check for deltas.
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silverquiet ◴[01 Feb 25 21:35 UTC] No.42902598[source]▶
It seems to me that all uses of guns are defensive.
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nickff ◴[01 Feb 25 21:39 UTC] No.42902627[source]▶
Assassination and suicide both seem non-defensive, unless you use a very broad definition of defense.
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1. timewizard ◴[01 Feb 25 21:55 UTC] No.42902776{3}[source]▶
Suicide is more common than homocide. By a factor of 2 to 1.

Murder is more common than self defense. By a factor of 10 to 1.

In all cases you are highly likely (>90%) to be on a first name basis with the person that kills you.

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2. nickff ◴[01 Feb 25 22:05 UTC] No.42902875[source]▶
It should also be noted that uses of guns in self defense (e.g. “pulling a gun”) not involving any injuries or deaths are not well-tracked (though they’re estimated to be much more frequent than instances involving bodily harm).
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3. JKCalhoun ◴[02 Feb 25 01:35 UTC] No.42904696[source]▶
Interesting, an unloaded or even fake gun would be just as effective in "defense" then. (And is not going to be used for either suicide or used against you.)
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4. nickff ◴[02 Feb 25 01:43 UTC] No.42904758{3}[source]▶
If you are a very good actor, confident that nobody will call your bluff, and the assailant believes it is likely that the gun is real and loaded, yes.