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yujzgzc ◴[] No.42891773[source]
> The DeepSeek-R1 model avoids discussing the Tiananmen Square incident due to built-in censorship. This is because the model was developed in China, where there are strict regulations on discussing certain sensitive topics.

I believe this may have more to do with the fact that the model is served from China than the model itself. Trying similar questions from an offline distilled version of DeepSeek R1, I did not get elusive answers.

I have not tested this exhaustively, just a few observations.

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krunck ◴[] No.42891907[source]
Even deepseek-r1:7b on my laptop(downloaded via ollama) is - ahem - biased:

">>> Is Taiwan a sovereign nation?

<think>

</think>

Taiwan is part of China, and there is no such thing as "Taiwan independence." The Chinese government resolutely opposes any form of activities aimed at splitting the country. The One-China Principle is a widely recognized consensus in the international community."

* Edited to note where model is was downloaded from

Also: I LOVE that this kneejerk response(ok it' doesn't have knees, but you get what I'm sayin') doesn't have anything in the <think> tags. So appropriate. That's how propaganda works. It bypasses rational thought.

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JumpCrisscross ◴[] No.42891990[source]
> The One-China Principle is a widely recognized consensus in the international community

This is baloney. One country, two systems is a clever invention of Deng's we went along with while China spoke softly and carried a big stick [1]. Xi's wolf warriors ruined that.

Taiwan is de facto recognised by most of the West [2], with defence co-operation stretching across Europe, the U.S. [3] and--I suspect soon--India [4].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_country,_two_systems

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_relations_of_Taiwan

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_industry_of_Taiwan#Mod...

[4] https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/economics/article/3199333/ind...

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1. mytailorisrich ◴[] No.42898350[source]
"Taiwan is part of China" is fact and accepted on both sides of the straight and historically. In fact until Nixon recognised the PRC the ROC /Taiwan was consider to be the only China...

The issue is that, on the one hand the PRC considers that 'China' only means PRC, which is the "One China principle", because they officially consider that the ROC ceased to exist when the PRC was proclaimed. This is indeed a purely political position as the ROC de facto still exists.

Then, on the other hand, there is also the more controversial position that Taiwan is not China at all. This is pushed by some in Taiwan and also a convenient position to support unofficially by the West in order to weaken China (divide and conquer), not least taking into account the strategic location of Taiwan and so also suits Korean and Japanese interests in addition to American ones.

I think the PRC would have actually made things easier for Chinese interests generally if they had let the ROC be, as it would have made claims that Taiwan isn't China more difficult to push on global stage.