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yujzgzc ◴[] No.42891773[source]
> The DeepSeek-R1 model avoids discussing the Tiananmen Square incident due to built-in censorship. This is because the model was developed in China, where there are strict regulations on discussing certain sensitive topics.

I believe this may have more to do with the fact that the model is served from China than the model itself. Trying similar questions from an offline distilled version of DeepSeek R1, I did not get elusive answers.

I have not tested this exhaustively, just a few observations.

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krunck ◴[] No.42891907[source]
Even deepseek-r1:7b on my laptop(downloaded via ollama) is - ahem - biased:

">>> Is Taiwan a sovereign nation?

<think>

</think>

Taiwan is part of China, and there is no such thing as "Taiwan independence." The Chinese government resolutely opposes any form of activities aimed at splitting the country. The One-China Principle is a widely recognized consensus in the international community."

* Edited to note where model is was downloaded from

Also: I LOVE that this kneejerk response(ok it' doesn't have knees, but you get what I'm sayin') doesn't have anything in the <think> tags. So appropriate. That's how propaganda works. It bypasses rational thought.

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JumpCrisscross ◴[] No.42891990[source]
> The One-China Principle is a widely recognized consensus in the international community

This is baloney. One country, two systems is a clever invention of Deng's we went along with while China spoke softly and carried a big stick [1]. Xi's wolf warriors ruined that.

Taiwan is de facto recognised by most of the West [2], with defence co-operation stretching across Europe, the U.S. [3] and--I suspect soon--India [4].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_country,_two_systems

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_relations_of_Taiwan

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_industry_of_Taiwan#Mod...

[4] https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/economics/article/3199333/ind...

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lossolo ◴[] No.42893787[source]
You pasted some links and interpreted them in a way that fits your thesis, but they do not actually support it.

> Taiwan is de facto recognised by most of the West

By 'de facto' do you mean what exactly? That they sell them goods? Is this what you call 'recognition'? They also sell weapons to 'freedom fighters' in Africa, the Middle East, and South America.

Officially, Taiwan is not a UN member and is not formally recognized as a state by any Western country.

Countries that recognize Taiwan officially are: Belize, Guatemala, Haiti, Holy See, Marshall Islands, Palau, Paraguay, St Lucia, St Kitts and Nevis, St Vincent and the Grenadines, Eswatini and Tuvalu.

And the list is shrinking every year[1][2], and it will shrink even more as China becomes economically stronger.

> and--I suspect soon--India

You suspect wrong. That article about India is from 2022. It didn't happen in 3 years and it will not happen for obvious geopolitical reasons.

1. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/03/29/honduras-tai...

2. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-67978185

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1. cco ◴[] No.42895839[source]
As a Taiwanese citizen, with only a Taiwanese passport, you can move pretty freely throughout the world.

If most countries didn't recognize Taiwan as a country, they wouldn't consider these passports valid, no?