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braza ◴[] No.42892606[source]
I work with ML and I am bullish with AI in general; said that, I would pay between 5 to 10 USD a feature or toggle called “No AI” for several services.

For myself I noticed 2 bad effects in my daily usage:

- Search: impossible to reach any original content in the first positions. Almost everything sounds like AIsh. The punctuation, the commas, the semicolon, the narro vocabulary, and the derivative nature of the recent internet pages.

- Discovery: (looking directly to you Spotify and Instagram) here I would add in the “No AI” feature another one “Forget the past…” and then set the time. I personally like to listen some orthogonal genres seasonally. But once that you listen 2 songs in a very spontaneous manner Spotify will recommend that for a long time. I listened out of curiosity some math rock, and the “Discovery Weekly” took 9 weeks to not recommend that anymore.

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bluetidepro ◴[] No.42892701[source]
For search, use Kagi. You don’t have to use their AI products at all to just use search.
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frakt0x90 ◴[] No.42892853[source]
Strongly agree. Whenever I search something and am met with a sea of

TOP 10 X; THE 20 BEST Y; 20 REASONS Z; etc.

I go Kagi and am immediately refreshed.

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1. TimTheTinker ◴[] No.42893005[source]
And yet Kagi isn't anywhere near as good as Google was ~13 years ago.

Yes - a big part of that is that online content is so much worse than it used to be. But it became bad over time because of what Google incentivized.

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2. acaloiar ◴[] No.42893405[source]
Google ~13 years ago dealt with a much less complicated search landscape where

1. Its own products weren't (as much) part of the search result quality problem. Today Google has hungry product managers from Ads, Youtube, and various AI products convincing higher-ups that their product deserves higher placement. That placement used to be sacrosanct.

2. The daily volume of AI-generated garbage content 13 years ago was probably a rounding error in today's volume

So Google was operating in a different landscape than Kagi of today. They had to do a lot less to achieve the quality they had.

I disagree that that Kagi "isn't anywhere near as good as Google was ~13 years ago". It's near. For me personally, it's better because I'm never served first-party ads.