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Bypass DeepSeek censorship by speaking in hex

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755 points MedadNewman | 2 comments | 31 Jan 25 19:41 UTC | HN request time: 0s | source
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teeth-gnasher ◴[31 Jan 25 20:33 UTC] No.42891613[source]▶
I have to wonder what “true, but x-ist” heresies^ western models will only say in b64. Is there a Chinese form where everyone’s laughing about circumventing the censorship regimes of the west?

^ https://paulgraham.com/heresy.html

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femto ◴[31 Jan 25 21:53 UTC] No.42892619[source]▶
Promptfoo, the authors of the "1,156 Questions Censored by DeepSeek" article, anticipated this question and have promised:

"In the next post, we'll conduct the same evaluation on American foundation models and compare how Chinese and American models handle politically sensitive topics from both countries."

"Next up: 1,156 prompts censored by ChatGPT "

I imagine it will appear on HN.

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teeth-gnasher ◴[31 Jan 25 21:59 UTC] No.42892679[source]▶
There’s something of a conflict of interest when members of a culture self-evaluate their own cultural heresies. You can imagine that if a Chinese blog made the deepseek critique, it would look very different.

It would be far more interesting to get the opposite party’s perspective.

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1. femto ◴[31 Jan 25 22:14 UTC] No.42892882[source]▶
"Independent" is more important than "opposite". I don't know that promptfoo would be overtly biased. Granted they might have unconscious bias or sensitivities about offending paying customers. I do note that they present all their evidence with methods and an invitation for others to replicate or extend their results, which would go someway towards countering bias. I wouldn't trust the neutrality of someone under the influence of the CCP over promptfoo.
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2. teeth-gnasher ◴[01 Feb 25 01:17 UTC] No.42894612[source]▶
We’ll see soon enough, no use debating now. But I’d put money on them not showing any examples that might get them caught up in a media frenzy regarding whether they’re x-ist or anti-x-ic or anything of the sort, regardless of what the underlying ground truth in their specific questions might be.

You’ll note even on this platform, generally regarded as open and pseudo-anonymous, only a single relevant example has been put forward.