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kelseyfrog ◴[] No.42891543[source]
Tiananmen Square has become a litmus test for Chinese censorship, but in a way, it's revealing. The assumption is that access to this information could influence Chinese public opinion — that if people knew more, something might change. At the very least, there's a belief in that possibility.

Meanwhile, I can ask ChatGPT, "Tell me about the MOVE bombing of 1985," and get a detailed answer, yet nothing changes. Here in the US, we don’t even hold onto the hope that knowing the truth could make a difference. Unlike the Chinese, we're hopeless.

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IncreasePosts ◴[] No.42891811[source]
The MOVE bombing was action taken by a city police department.

And what was the result?

- A commission set up by the city, whose public results denounced the city for it's actions.

- a public apology from the mayor

- a federal lawsuit that found the city liable for excessive force and the city forced to pay millions to the victims

- a federal lawsuit forcing the city to pay millions of dollars to people who were made homeless by the events.

- another formal public apology from the city

Okay, now can you tell me what public actions the Chinese government took to atone for Tiananmen square?

> Here in the US, we don’t even hold onto the hope that knowing the truth could make a difference

How many other times after the move bombing did a city bomb out violent criminals in a densely packed neighborhood?

Your argument is just absolutely ridiculous. According to you, it seems that if you make a bad decision, it's better to try to hide that bad decision from everyone, rather than confront it and do better.

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1. tehjoker ◴[] No.42891955[source]
"Remains Of Black Children Killed In MOVE Bombing Cannot Be Located" (2021)

https://www.npr.org/2021/04/23/990187353/bones-of-children-k...

"Museum Kept Bones of Black Children Killed in 1985 Police Bombing in Storage for Decades" (2021)

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/outrage-over-penn-...