←back to thread

1041 points mertbio | 2 comments | | HN request time: 0.429s | source
Show context
seanc ◴[] No.42841499[source]
I've been in high tech for 30 years, and I've been laid off many times, most often from failed start ups. I _strongly_ disagree with a fully cynical response of working only to contract, leveraging job offers for raises, etc.

There are a few reasons for this, but the most concrete is that your behavior in this job has an impact on getting the next one. The author is correct that exemplary performance will not save you from being laid off, but when layoffs come your next job often comes from contacts that you built up from the current job, or jobs before. If people know you are a standout contributor then you will be hired quickly into desirable roles. If people think you are a hired gun who only does the bare minimum that next role will be harder to find.

On top of that, carrying around bitterness and cynicism is just bad for you. Pride in good work and pleasure in having an impact on customers and coworkers is good for you. Sometimes that means making dumb business decisions like sacrificing an evening to a company that doesn't care, but IMO that sort of thing is worth it now and then.

To be sure, don't give your heart away to a company (I did that exactly once, never again) because a company will never love you back. But your co-workers will.

replies(40): >>42841581 #>>42841597 #>>42841651 #>>42841813 #>>42841885 #>>42841938 #>>42842044 #>>42842177 #>>42842180 #>>42842250 #>>42842331 #>>42842374 #>>42842464 #>>42842616 #>>42842660 #>>42842679 #>>42842696 #>>42842705 #>>42842846 #>>42842996 #>>42843197 #>>42843394 #>>42843500 #>>42843507 #>>42843581 #>>42843805 #>>42843812 #>>42843830 #>>42844000 #>>42844148 #>>42844304 #>>42844779 #>>42845758 #>>42846127 #>>42847404 #>>42848237 #>>42848351 #>>42851893 #>>42870437 #>>42906633 #
Aurornis ◴[] No.42844779[source]
> I _strongly_ disagree with a fully cynical response of working only to contract, leveraging job offers for raises, etc.

Early in my career I watched a coworker get denied a promotion to management and make a hard turn toward cynicism. To be honest, he was not ready for a management promotion and the company made the right call. However, he was so insulted that he immediately started looking for new jobs and stopped doing more than a couple hours of work per week.

I thought his cynicism was going to backfire, but over the next several years he job hopped almost every year, getting bigger titles at every move. For a long time I was jealous that his cynicism and mercenary-style approach to employment was paying off so well.

Years later I went to a fun networking lunch. His name came up and many of us, from different local companies, said we had worked with him. The conversation quickly turned to how he had kind of screwed everyone over by doing Resume Driven Development, starting ambitious projects, and then leaving before he had to deal with consequences of, well, anything.

He hit a wall mid-career where he was having a very hard time getting hired because his resume was full of job hopping. He was requesting reference letters from past bosses multiple times a month because he was always trying to job hop. One admitted that he eventually just stopped responding, because he'd write a lot of reference letters every job-hop cycle only to have him bail on the company with a lot of technical debt later.

He eventually moved away, I suspect partially because the local market had become saturated with people who knew his game. He interviewed extremely well (because he did it so much) but he'd fail out as soon as someone recognized his name or talked to an old coworker.

The last I talked to him, he felt like a really cynical person all around. Like his personality was based on being a mercenary who extracted "TC" from companies by playing all the games. He was out of work, but asked me if I had any leads (no thanks!).

I'm no longer jealous of his mercenary, job-hopping adventure.

replies(1): >>42845098 #
cudgy ◴[] No.42845098[source]
I’ve known many people like this throughout my career, and I have seen the absolute opposite that you observed. These people are perfect candidates for management positions and their focus on office politics pays off handsomely. It’s not for me; might not be for you; but in reality these machiavellian tactics work if you wanna move up and get promoted in most large corporations.
replies(2): >>42845429 #>>42845570 #
1. nuancebydefault ◴[] No.42845570[source]
In my experience this tactic tends to work well for manager positions and backfire easily for technical positions.

If a manager screws things up they get pro or side moted. If an expert screws up and leaves technical debt behind, they just get a bad name.

replies(1): >>42845862 #
2. roguecoder ◴[] No.42845862[source]
The standards for managers are also so much lower than for engineers. Most of the time companies don't know how to judge how good a manager is at their job, much less how to interview people for those roles.

Instead, people rely on "how confident do they sound?" as a proxy for competence. It used to be that you could do that in development, but then we started having engineers write code during interviews.