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keiferski ◴[] No.42839412[source]
The thing that bothers me most about layoffs due to “financial difficulties” is when you observe management wasting absurd amounts of money on something in one year, then announcing the following year that they have to make cuts to baseline, “low level” employees that don’t cost much at all.

This kind of managerial behavior seriously kills employee motivation, because it both communicates that 1) no one has job security and 2) that management is apparently incapable of managing money responsibly.

“Sorry, we spent $200k on consultants and conferences that accomplished nothing, so now we have to cut an employee making $40k” really erodes morale in ways that merely firing people doesn’t.

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nrclark ◴[] No.42841539[source]
I was laid off once. The reason on paper was budgetary, times are tough, etc. But the real reason was that I was a bad fit for the role - for a variety of reasons.

I got pipped, and foolish me tried hard to work on the items in the pip (to no effect). The layoff came right on schedule.

A few years later, I was chatting with an old coworker and I came to find out that the director of engineering had demanded it. It was in direct response to me refusing to participate in building a knowingly DMCA-violating product.

The pip was theater. The "times are tough" bit was theater. The reality is that the director wanted me gone, and that is how they did it for legal coverage reasons.

I don't really blame the company - I was a bad fit, and I can see that clearly in hindsight. But it did teach me never to accept budgetary layoffs at face value.

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1. cultureswitch ◴[] No.42842895[source]
Imagine getting fired because you wanted to respect the DMCA of all things. I'd be curious for details, though you probably shouldn't tell.
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2. nrclark ◴[] No.42843327[source]
I was never really concerned about the ethics, but was more worried that I'd be personally liable for it. I kept thinking about the VW emissions scandal, where the engineer that implemented it was given prison time.

In hindsight, it was probably a stupid thing for me to worry about. I also never should have expected that I'd be able to change the director's mind by refusing to do what he said.

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3. horrible-hilde ◴[] No.42843434[source]
you absolutely did the right thing. Are you doing well now?
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4. nrclark ◴[] No.42843494{3}[source]
Yes, I bounced back.

Getting soft-fired really shook me, and it was a hit to my self-confidence. I did learn some valuable life-lessons from it though, and including that nobody should ignore office politics.

Afterwards, I found a job that was a much better fit. That next job changed the direction of my career, and I'm very happy with where I am now.

5. dijit ◴[] No.42848263[source]
> In hindsight, it was probably a stupid thing for me to worry about.

Wrong take.

You did the right thing. Fuck that guy.