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1. ChrisMarshallNY ◴[] No.42839493[source]
> Avoid going above and beyond with initiatives. Many companies encourage impactful work to earn promotions, but instead of chasing internal advancements, focus on switching companies to achieve your next career step.

This is probably the most heartbreaking aspect of modern HR policy.

It’s not just about layoffs. It’s about the way the company incentivizes (or doesn’t) worker loyalty and enthusiasm. You could have employees that spend their entire career at a company, and refuse to ever “go the extra mile,” because there’s obviously no motivation to do so.

Loyalty, engagement, and morale usually comes from things other than paychecks. Often, simple, basic Respect can have huge impact on the motivation and loyalty of employees.

It’s actually quite mystifying [to me], how modern HR practice seems to actively discourage things like treating employees with Respect.

I worked for a company that was (at the time I joined them) quite well-known for employee retention. I think the average length of stay was about 25 years, when I joined. They didn’t pay especially well, so their corporate work environment was responsible for that retention.

As the years went on, I watched the HR Department become much colder, and more impersonal. They became absolutely obsessive about constantly reminding employees, at every possible opportunity, that we were simply replaceable cogs in the machine, and that the company could get rid of us, at a whim. They never really improved their compensation, and gradually removed many incentives, so it became all stick, and no carrot.

Performance evaluations became insulting and predictable exercises in humiliation. I was often told to reduce the encouragement in my evaluations (I was a manager, for many years). I used to take pride in specific and eloquent praise in my evaluations. My employees really appreciated that.

HR definitely wanted to make sure that employees felt insecure in their employment. It was obviously a deliberate and calculated policy. Our HR was run by the corporate General Counsel, so, lawyers set the tone.

By the time I left (as a result of a much-anticipated layoff), the employee morale was completely in the shitter, and the company’s much-vaunted employee retention statistic was no more.

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2. netdevphoenix ◴[] No.42839664[source]
> the company’s much-vaunted employee retention statistic

In a job market with more candidates than jobs, why would you need to an employee retention statistic? The reality is that in the current job market, regardless of your employment status or your work, your value has greatly diminished.

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3. ChrisMarshallNY ◴[] No.42839688[source]
Sadly, this is true, but this company was world-famous for insanely high-Quality products. It was definitely crucial to their brand. They needed to attract top-shelf talent, and that brand reputation was important for this. I worked as a peer, with some of the top scientists and engineers in my field.

That reputation took a big hit, over the the time that I worked for them. I think they damn near went belly-up, after 100 years.

They seem to be (slowly) getting their act together, once again. I sincerely wish them luck.

4. pjc50 ◴[] No.42839757[source]
Rather like "if you've never missed a plane you've spent too much time in airports", companies believe that there's such a thing as employee retention that's too high; it means you could be squeezing their pay more in order to force them to quit.

Doesn't account for all the tacit knowledge and morale effects of course. Some people just like running the Hunger Games.

& a good corporate reputation is just another asset like a rainforest: something you can burn to top up profits this quarter.

5. BlueTemplar ◴[] No.42840370[source]
A company having a Human Resources department sounds like a red flag. (And who is surprised by this : such an Orwellian term !?)
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6. mmcconnell1618 ◴[] No.42840661[source]
HR departments are constantly looking at "market rates" for jobs which is a fancy way of saying they share salary data or get it from ADP and have much more information about what people are willing to accept.

At hiring time, they are willing to pay market rate (or some percentage of market rate) to get people in the door. Once you are employed, they don't care anymore and will let excellent people slowly fall behind market compensation with 1% to 2% raises.

When those employees get frustrated and leave for 20% bump in comp, the companies seem fine replacing them with a new hire at market rate. So now, they have a new employee making market rate, they have to train the new employee for months before they are productive and they've taken on the risk of an unknown vs. just giving the existing employee a raise to market rate. It doesn't make sense unless you want to telegraph the message that employees are fungible and you don't really care about people.

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7. ChrisMarshallNY ◴[] No.42841088[source]
> you want to telegraph the message that employees are fungible and you don't really care about people.

From my experience, that’s exactly what is going on.

HR was obsessed (and that’s not hyperbole) with constantly telling us that we could be ejected, at any time.

I suspect that it had something to do with legal stuff. Our HR was run by lawyers.

8. Muromec ◴[] No.42845932[source]
> It doesn't make sense unless you want to telegraph the message that employees are fungible and you don't really care about people.

I actually makes total sense and a lot of it. I see the take that management doesn't know about knowledge being lost, they don't understand this, they don't understand that. I believed this was case until I started to work for a company that is literally 200 years old.

At some point between joining that company and deciding to leave the previous, I got it -- nobody is actually that stupid, neither people are evil or anything.

Employee being a row in an excel sheet is an important goal that every big company strives to achieve and all the functions, processes and products that are contrary to that dogma are actively rejected by the system as dangerous.

For the company to be the company it must never depend on this particular employee being very smart. Every bit of knowledge that is not written down and confirmed to be in accordance to The Policy is a risk and should be forgotten. That's the intended way.

And of course the only way to discover the market price for real is to spend the money. The cost of losing mister special employee is negative anyway, and for the offchance it's positive, it's worth it.

The evil thing is not this, the evil thing is not being upfront about it. Get a union, negotiate yourself a nice row in the excel sheet and be happy about it or make your own company.

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9. Muromec ◴[] No.42845961[source]
A company cop can be called "People's Partner" and North Korea could be called Democratic Republic, but everybody knows what is happening.
10. ChrisMarshallNY ◴[] No.42848395{3}[source]
Well I worked for almost 27 years, for a company that made top-shelf optical equipment, for 100 years. They were able to mix heavy process and exceptional employees. It can be done, but is not easy (which is why it’s so rare).

It had lots of frustration and flaws, but consistently, repeatedly, delivered equipment, costing tens of thousands of dollars, that people based their entire careers on.

The trouble came, when they tried to change to a more modern model.

They made a lot of money, for a few years, but ended up crashing and burning. Their brand suffered extinction-level damage.

I’m really hoping that they get their mojo back. There’s a better than even chance they will.

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11. Muromec ◴[] No.42856382{4}[source]
>They made a lot of money, for a few years, but ended up crashing and burning.

I'm not sure whether it proves my point or yours, or both.

>I’m really hoping that they get their mojo back. There’s a better than even chance they will.

Regression to the mean and entropy will eat us all. There is no hope.

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12. ChrisMarshallNY ◴[] No.42857256{5}[source]
In a way, both.

Their structure works really well, for the specialized (smallish) market they occupied for decades, but sucked, in the new market.

I think they may get their groove back, because their core is true, and they are tough. They are a Japanese company that has gone through world wars, depressions, recessions, etc. They are also very conservative, fiscally. That helps you to get past the rough patches.