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kirubakaran ◴[] No.42732804[source]
> A major project will discover that it has merged a lot of AI-generated code

My friend works at a well-known tech company in San Francisco. He was reviewing his junior team member's pull request. When asked what a chunk of code did, the team member matter-of-factly replied "I don't know, chatgpt wrote that"

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alisonatwork ◴[] No.42734461[source]
I have heard the same response from junior devs and external contractors for years, either because they copied something from StackOverflow, or because they copied something from a former client/employer (popular one in China), or even because they just uncritically copied something from another piece of code in the same project.

From the point of view of these sorts of developers they are being paid to make the tests go green or to make some button appear on a page that kindasorta does something in the vague direction of what was in the spec, and that's the end of their responsibility. Unused variables? Doesn't matter. Unreachable code blocks? Doesn't matter. Comments and naming that have nothing to do with the actual business case the code is supposed to be addressing? Doesn't matter.

I have spent a lot of time trying to mentor these sorts of devs and help them to understand why just doing the bare minimum isn't really a good investment in their own career not to mention it's disrespectful of their colleagues who now need to waste time puzzling through their nonsense and eventually (inevitably) fixing their bugs... Seems to get through about 20% of the time. Most of the rest of the time these folks just smile and nod and continue not caring, and companies can't afford the hassle of firing them, then you open LinkedIn years later and turns out somehow they've failed up to manager, architect or executive while you're still struggling along as a code peasant who happens to take pride in their work.

Sorry, got a little carried away. Anywho, the point is LLMs are just another tool for these folks. It's not new, it's just worse now because of the mixed messaging where executives are hyping the tech as a magical solution that will allow them to ship more features for less cost.

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bryanrasmussen ◴[] No.42734514[source]
>Unused variables? Doesn't matter. Unreachable code blocks? Doesn't matter. Comments and naming that have nothing to do with the actual business case the code is supposed to be addressing? Doesn't matter.

maybe I am just supremely lucky but while I have encountered people like (in the coding part) it is somewhat rare from my experience. These comments on HN always makes it seem like it's at least 30% of the people out there.

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alisonatwork ◴[] No.42734641[source]
I think even though these types of developers are fairly rare, they have a disproportionate negative impact on the quality of the code and the morale of their colleagues, which is perhaps why people remember them and talk about it more often. The p95 developers who are more-or-less okay aren't really notable enough to be worth complaining about on HN, since they are us.
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1. ryandrake ◴[] No.42734825{3}[source]
And, as OP alluded to, I bet these kinds of programmers tend to “fail upward” and disproportionately become eng managers and directors, spreading their carelessness over a wider blast radius, while the people who care stagnate as perpetual “senior software engineers”.
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2. bryanrasmussen ◴[] No.42735681[source]
maybe they care more about the quality as they become managers etc. quality takes effort, maybe they don't like taking the effort but like making other people take the effort.